Zeitgeist and Desteni: Cult Wars

Apparently Zeitgeist Movement is getting plundered from all angles.  For years the cult of Zeitgeist was mouthing off how it was not a cult, it was simply the activist arm of the Venus Project.  We have now discovered that the Venus Project believes the Zeitgeist Movement, its members, and its leaders are all losers who follow the cult personality Peter Joseph.  Then we have the desperate beggar known on the web as Neil “I win cult debates” Kiernan who is also taking a swipe at the Zeitgeist Movement.  In fact, Neil, “winner of cult debates”, has attempted to recreate the Zeitgeist forums on his own website and has attempted to re-coin and take credit for Jacque Frescos RBE system.  But now we find the Destini cult launching a offensive of sorts against the remnants of the Zeitgeist Cult.  Below is a REPOST from another blog dedicated to exposing the Destini cult:

Good blog exposing the Destini Cult:  http://destenicult.blogspot.com/

Desteni, the Zeitgeist Movement & Conspiracies

Ivan Rauscher

Desteni have for some time been offering their views on The Zeitgeist Movement (TZM).

TZM is thoroughly disreputable. It’s a pseudo-radical group promoting conspiracy theories and the vision of a sci-fi technocratic utopia, seemingly more as a form of entertainment than for any real social or political ends. It also has definite cult-like tendencies which have been noted, blogged and v-logged about by numerous commentators.

Recently, Desteni sect leader, Bernard Poolman, has made the pointless suggestion that since The Break Up of the Zeitgeist Movement the people involved should now join Desteni.

However, attempts by Desteni members to spam TZM forums with ‘equal money system’ gobbledegook and convert followers of TZM failed. TZM followers soon caught on that Destibots belong to a pernicious mind control sect with totalitarian ambitions and should be avoided at all costs.

Apparently in a desperate ploy to give the non-existent ‘equal money system’ some credibility, members of Desteni have been trying to critique TZM. They have a whole blog dedicated to it with the peculiar title, Zeitgeist and Venus are Not Greek Gods where TZM’s ‘resource based economy’ is contrasted with ‘equal money system’ as a way of proving the latter to be the superior choice for any right-thinking person living in cloud cuckoo land.

At the Equal Life Magazine, again they say that Desteni is more ‘practical’ than TZM.

It is always amusing to see the phrase, ‘investigate the equal money system’ as churned out by the deluded Destibots, because if anyone tries, they will find there’s nothing there to investigate. The equalmoney.org website is just a propaganda tool to recruit people into the Desteni cult in the beLIEf that Desteni will eventually be in a position to give out free money to everyone and make them millionaires (See: Millionaires!! Equal Money will make ALL People EQUAL Millionaires !!).

Valentin Rozman, one the most diligent campaigners on behalf of ‘equal money system’, reported on The collaboration of Zeitgeist and Desteni members in Slovenia which, unsurprisingly was a total failure.

Intellectual giant and PR Supremo of the Desteni ‘post-metaphysic action-based group’ (as he calls it), Darryl W. Thomas, suggests, apparently in all seriousness, in Zeitgeist: To Straighten a Crooked Stick… that now that head honcho of TZM, Peter Joseph has left the movement, he should join Desteni.

It seems that this is all the Destibots are capable of communicating: ‘join Desteni’. Everything they say always comes back to that same point.

One critic of TZM, Muertos, has accurately identified Desteni as A Conspiracy Cult.

Desteni material is directly aimed at an audience that already subscribes to or has a keen interest in conspiracy theories to do with the Illuminati, the New World Order, aliens, reptilians etc. It contains hundreds of references to such theories and attempts to explain them by means of dull repetition of the Desteni catch phrases, with the resulting message as usual being ‘join Desteni’.

Now that TZM is apparently on the wane, more of its critics are placing their attention elsewhere and debunking the Desteni conspiracy cult. They have noted some similarities between the Zeitgeist Movement and Desteni in for example posts at The Zeitgeist Movement Examined, The Zeitgeist Destiny and Zeitgeist and Destini as well as the Conspiracy Science Forum thread on Desteni.

While TZM and Desteni are both situated on the lunatic fringes, due to the far more extreme and blatantly absurd nature of the Desteni material, the Desteni movement has only a very limited niche market appeal, whereas TZM has, or rather had, a wider appeal.

In Deconstructing MUERTOS Every Day Project fanatical Desteni recruiter, Darryl W. Thomas begins to attempt to ‘deconstruct’ Muertos’ single blog post/video, Desteni: A Conspiracy Cult in an elaborate project involving a paragraph-by-paragraph analysis and apparently even a forthcoming series of videos. All seemingly dedicated to just that one blog post by Muertos.

So far, Darryl Thomas manages to write nothing but a load of waffle. He states that Desteni does not use conspiracy theories to recruit members and that Muertos’ analysis of Desteni uses a method akin to that of a stereotypical conspiracy theorist. Both these points are false.

Darryl Thomas is wasting his time. Not just because the Desteni material is a pile of garbage and cannot by any reasonable standard be considered worth defending, but because more anti-Desteni commentary is appearing every week which examines why and how Desteni is garbage, and Darryl Thomas will be unable to keep up with it, especially as all his arguments ever amount to are ‘read the damn material’,  ‘join Desteni’. We’ve read it. It’s garbage. We’re not joining.

Muertos has already given a thorough explanation of how and why Desteni uses conspiracy theories to lure in followers in his excellent blog post of 14th May, The Desteni Cult and Conspiracy Theories: Pandering to the Paranoid. Here’s the video version:

To say that Desteni is purely a ‘conspiracy cult’ and no more would be incorrect, but it is an accurate description. Muertos’ has given an account of what he has found in relation to Desteni. There is nothing conspiratorial about it, and he has not identified any conspiracy going on. He has simply stated that Desteni is a destructive and manipulative cult which to a large extent relies on beliefs in conspiracy theories amongst a general audience to draw people in. That is just a statement of fact.

As Muertos shows, Desteni material is aimed at a particular audience impressed with conspiracy theories by providing a plethora of ‘channelled’ material about reptilians, UFOs, the Illuminati, alien races etc. A great many, if not most members of Desteni have commented on their own previous beliefs in conspiracy theories prior to joining Desteni. Bernard Poolman has described how he failed to get the most famous conspiracy creator in the world, David Icke to endorse the Desteni material.

(See Process Support – 1 Problem-Reaction-Solution David Icke, 2 Problem-Reaction-Solution David Icke, Why we Investigated David Icke, Bloodlines and Equal Money, 4 Problem-Reaction-Solution – David Icky Credibility and other such videos where Poolman clearly has a gripe against David Icke for not acknowledging Desteni.)

Just because Mr Thomas is one of the few people in Desteni capable of constructing a coherent sentence doesn’t mean he should be taken seriously. The vacuous hogwash he spouts in support of Desteni exists for the purpose of elevating his status within the cult and misleading the younger members. It is a vain and futile effort to give Poolman and Spies’ absurd pronouncements the appearance of intellectual credibility. Anything to get away from admitting that Desteni is a dangerous cult that sucks in naive people on the basis of the popularity on the Internet of conspiracy theories and occultic New Age spiritual philosophy.