Ben Hrotek Be aware that the same people that administer ZMG site are the same people that censor the ZM forums. Follow with care. JF. Ranger are you going to be starting up a new official site once this is archived???
Vtv V-radio Yes, be aware that the global site is the official site, and will be free of the endless trolling that goes on here. You are in danger of actually having constructive conversations and not wasting endless hours of your time fighting off people who have no interest in this movement aside from mocking or ridiculing it. JF Ranger can’t make an official FB group for the movement. There already is one.
Ben Hrotek Thats funny, the two people that ‘like’ your comment Neil, are you. hahaha…. And the only troll is you trolling for gullible sheep to get donations from. And if you were not a moderator in the ZM forums you would have been banned long ago. Your the only one taking this “official” stance seriously. The ZM is working towards nothing official, people serious about the movement are looking within. Your so called troll doco is just creating more noise. Get back into politics for a while and give this movement a chance, please.
Vtv V-radio Gee Ben, I guess it’s a good thing your opinion of me is not in any way relevant. Nor will it even impact my participation in the movement.
Ben Hrotek It’s not an opinion, it’s an observation. As for having any impact in your participation, I am, you just don’t know I am. And that official. 
Vtv V-radio Yeah. All we ask is that people be respectful.
Ben Hrotek If it is you moderating ‘respect’, then the ‘official’ stance must be anything goes. Or is there a double standard happening like in the zm forums? Check out the respect you have for people in this group. Quote by you: “You are in danger of actually having constructive conversations”…….. Are you saying that there is only constructive conversation on your page???? I think not. You have learnt the RBE material by rote, it’s time to actually go out into the real world and practice it, then come back and ‘guide’ people to that way of life. The way you are doing it is destructive to the movement and yourself. The proof is in your words and actions, not mine, take it or leave it.
Vtv V-radio Ben, you were removed from the forums for your behavior. You can continue to blame that on me all you want. It doesn’t change that. Your inability to get over it actually points to problems you have. The funny thing is the forums go for months with nobody needing to be banned at all. And the conversations are free of insults and attacks.
Ben Hrotek Neil, you should have been removed from the forums long ago for your behaviour. It’s your double standards I’m pointing out nothing else. The reason no one gets banned is because people on there know not to confront your double standards, have a look at how many people lately have responded to your posts in the moderators section, none, then go check out mario’s site at the TS3 conversation where you were in, banning and muting people all over the place, then saying to danette “fuck you bitch”. I’m over you banning me, I just think I should point out your double standards because I was a victim of it, I have first hand knowledge of it, and guess what, I don’t want any money for letting people know this, it’s for free.
Vtv V-radio Danette’s efforts at bring about an angry mob failed. They tried to act as though I ban people all the time when that had been the first banning I had done in months. The recording leaves out what the person was doing in the text chat to deserve to be muted in the first place. Once all the information (Like the fact that I rarely ban people) was presented the effort fizzled out to nothing. Even in your own statement above you lied, saying I was “banning people all over the place” when only two people were globally muted temporarily in that situation. Both of which I have let back since then.
It is also worth noting that one of the people who was spearheading that all effort is a good friend of Danette’s. And she was trying to go after me in revenge for my removal of that person as a moderator for abuse.www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=60&id=337520&Itemid=100114&lang=enIt is important to note that what you are trying to frame as any sort of majority is actually a very small group of people claiming to be speaking for a majority. And that is why they were ignored. Aside from the fact that when they presented their complaints there was little to no logic in what they were suggesting. And the reason nobody responds to my posts in the moderator section is because there is no reason to. The forums have mostly been free of trolling for months due to diligent moderation and work from the community to confront aggressive speech, ad hominem and personal attack when it starts. And you can continue hammering on my donations if you like. I suppose I could just get a job working for some corporation that is part of the problem rather then working instead for the community that is trying to spread awareness of the solutions.
Ben Hrotek Danette’s so called efforts have nothing to do with YOUR behaviour……..Politics will not change the fact you are not walking the talk. The reason the forum has been free from “trolling”(which is your definition of anything YOU don’t ‘believe’) is it’s the same old people chatting there, with a few new people having a go here and there. Good activists are actually leaving due to, I think, your crazy ‘troll’ mandate.http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=263&id=340126&Itemid=100114&lang=en#340193 Basically what you are saying is that it’s your way(interpretation) or the highway……..Hopefully you are genuine because the exposure you have created for yourself once in the movement is effecting it. In fact, taking you out of the equation, the negative spin would be less, with overall exposure to the movement not much difference. All the best.
Vtv V-radio As far as “good activists leaving” we also had activists leaving because of being mistreated by other members. And no significant amount of people has ever left for being asked to behave themselves like a mature adult. And to be honest if they can’t do that they need to grow up before they get involved anyway. We don’t have time to deal with that. So far all you have managed to do is complain about being banned from the website. Claim that I am a bad moderator, etc. Not to mention repeatedly say I should leave so the movement has a “chance” which is ridiculous.
Vtv V-radio Monica where did you post this information? The forums or the TZM global page? And what was the information?
Ben Hrotek Ok your not listening to a word I say. I would just like to untwist your words and say , no there is nothing wrong with you because you listen to g&r. And like I said before I’m over getting banned by you, it’s your obsession with trolls and your double standards I’ve been pointing out nothing else. Check out your last words to Ryan, this is not the words of a stable person, you have issues, resolve them then get back into the position you are in. For now you are not the asset you think you are !!!!!!!!
Monica Levantini On the page above, and it was RT about the spanish protest and , Ted about open-sources.
Vtv V-radio Are you talking about Ryan Nelson? He said one of the reasons he was leaving TZM was because Derrick Jensen said members of TZM were “insane” and I pointed out that Derrick Jensen is called insane by others all the time. Not to mention other people that hold his philosophy. What exactly went on in that thread that makes me “unstable”? I can’t wait to hear this.
Vtv V-radio Monica I don’t know why anyone would delete that. Do you know when it was done?
Vtv V-radio And Ben, why don’t you put a few more ! at the end of your sentence. I hear that actually makes your point more valid.
Monica Levantini I asked you on monday about posting there because all posting on the page above are by themselves, TZM Global not like other pages where many people post/link iformation, thoughts…, but don’t worry much about it I just would like to know were to post information after this page (300000+ people page) is closed up, someone is saying about moving to the one with 200000+ and you’re saying to move to this one… so i’m confused.
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