So lately I have been engaging a Zeitgeist named Jay Wood on Dr Marios facebook page. I saw him post how he didnt care if Peter Joseph was a scam artist:
So this guy goes on and on how he supports Zeitgeist because it is “scientific”
Im sure soon Mr Jay Wood will go crying back to his zombie peers how Sir James exposed how he was not in fact a scientist but in reality is nothing more than Peter zombie drone and then he will be added to the James Kush fan club for talking shit. Wow, as I type this I see my FB notification light up and sure as expected Jay is pissed:
We do confirm these guys unflitching worship of science. Peter Joseph has made it clear during the Zeitgeist Orientation brainwash video that “Science and technology is divinity in action….Science is the tool for functional spirituality”.
So the question is…..how far will TZM take their science worship?
We have confirmed the Zeitgeist Movement believes science supports control, censorship, authority, moderation, and structure:
more on this here: http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2011/06/16/zeitgeist-members-continue-to-get-brainwashed/
So now we ask, WILL THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT EAT SHIT???
Science seems to suggest so:
From here: http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forums/topic/will-tvptzm-resort-to-eating-poop
Japanese Scientists Learn How To Make Meat From Poop: http://www.tofugu.com/2011/06/16/japanese-scientists-learn-how-to-make-meat-from-poop/
Apparently some Zeitgeist do eat poop and side effects abound:
Turns out Jay Wood may live with his mom it seems:
That Jay guy is totally hot man brah yo
You have to much time on your hands man…. I would advice you to do something constructive with your life, it doesn’t last forever..
I have time on my hands because i do not work for bankers or corporations. I do what i want when I want, because i am a free person. Now go eat shit cult member.
“I have time on my hands because i do not work for bankers or corporations. I do what i want when I want, because i am a free person. Now go eat shit cult member.”
WOW. Dude cmon man? LOL really?
Hey man if you don’t like it go somewhere else. I really didnt make this site to make you happy. I get it, you’re mad because we are exposing your cult, get a grip.
This local is for ignorants, like this website.
Being in a cult is ignorant.
Yeah, i have to agree with you.
This site has in no way actually helped me change my mind. There are no talks about problems in the zeitgistmovement at all its just a string of hate talk.
If you want to make a point I’m all ears but in the mean time don’t trash talk for no reason it doesn’t actually get anything done. Actually im willing to bet your more likely to hurt the cause your fighting for then help it.
Ill come back here to see if you have even created one reasonable argument. If not this site is doing nothing but hurting your cause.
No reasonable argument will change your mind because you are full of cult logic, besides, Jacque Fresco himself has already made it clear that Zeitgeist Movement are know nothing followers of Peter Joseph and his conspiracy films and nothing else. Everything we critics have been saying about your cult has come true and Zeitgeist has collapsed over a donations war. If you do not see a problem where your “moneyless” group is fighting for money, or if you do not see anything wrong with “authority/control/censorship/banning/blocking/heirachy” in the name of science, then you are truly a stupid human and deserve everything you get. You are but a zombie follower and the Zeitgeist leadership controllers could offer to smear shit on your face in the name of science and you would let them.
One of the characteristics of creating a cult is making its members pay a price to gain admittance to the group. Once you have paid that price you have proved yourself worthy of being part of that group. It creates group cohesion. It is Zeitgeist’s failure to present a rational worldview that causes the ridicule and it is the members willingness to endure that ridicule that encourages Zeitgeists reputation as a cult. If Zeitgeist had a rational worldview it would respond with a rational argument instead of playing the victim card and labeling ridicule as hate speech.
If the Zeitgeist movement has gotten to the point where it can no longer present rational arguments and its only way to survive is to rally around the “hate card” then you are left with the seed of a true cult. What’s next are Zeitgeisters going to shave their heads and start making anti-hate videos like Destini?
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I think it’s idiotic how people tend to perpetuate “Zeitgeist” as a single entity. Look past the name and you will see what it truly promotes; which is truth, unity, freedom and peace fully promoted while applying scientific technology in order to provide world wide wealth. Peter Joesph him self said he does not stand for the name you speak of, but he stands for the true foundation it builds upon. (NOTE: the four fathers that founded America were also apart of a “cult”, but would you consider it so? MLK jr. was considered a communist, but would you consider it so? John Lennon was a terrorist, but would you consider it so?). Its amusing how easily it is for the government to condition people into thinking that the monetary system can and will solve poverty, pollution, war, and crime..when it has only gotten worse. However, when some one (peter Joesph) comes along with some research from prestigious scientist that apply their research physically in order to prove the research is valid, the conditioned citizens call it “communism, socialist, hippie, cult member” and many many of the other title’s that stereotypes the true meanings and understandings.
I would really love for “zeitgeist exposed” to present some logical evidence that a resource based economy can not work if worked towards, but they cant. The monetary system is beginning to collapse, but the institute will do whatever it takes to make it last forever, thats why the people (mainly america) must come to a clear understand of what the problem is because we are the machinery that allows the idea of money to work, we are the only ones standing between the first transitions toward a resource based economy , but you continue to feed your ego into the clear understandings of human behavior correlated to the monetary system, and peace correlated to a resource economy….so in the end you will always pick the side you were conditioned upon.
This organization only gives forth rational arguments, however most the rebutes I have seen have been the most ridiculous crap I have yet to witness. Its said on here that scientist dont bother to research if zeitgeist info is plausible (which its 100% truth) but people always categorize the movement with past activism that doesnt truly apply to the foundation of a resource based economy. I literary would love to have a voice to voice confrontation about this topic. Im telling you right now you would not last. I bet $1000 on my life..
LOL you are too late!!! You should have typed that up long ago. You see, the Zeitgeist Movement was the activist arm for the Venus Project. remember? “We are not a cult, we are the advocate group for Venus Project” WELL, we now discover that Jacque Fresco and the Venus Project have already declared Zeitgeist Movement as know nothing followers of cult personality Peter joseph!! So what do you want me to prove or dis-prove? It has already been done! You know nothing! Venus Project and Jacque Fresco have already made it clear that Zeitgeist Movement is so worthless, useless, and ignorant that it should disband! Read this blog post, see the cult trend “I DONT CARE IF PETER JOSEPH IS A SERIAL KILLER” wow, your group has truly sunk to new lows! “Science says you need control, heiarchy, moderation” wow so you need ME to prove to you something when the Zeitgeist Movement is proving it itself and the Venus Project has effectively exposed Zeitgeist? WOW, the writing is on the wall, dont be so stupid.
It hasnt worked, never in the history of mankind or the history of the planet earth has a “resource based economy” worked. You want proof it will never work? Nobody on the planet supports RBE, no scientist, no politician, no financier, nobody! Not one serious person on the planet supports RBE as a feasible rational plan.
No its not, thats something that was fed to you by Peter Joseph, doomsday predicting conspiracy theorist cult personality. You fail to understand 600 years of capitalism. It operates in waves of cycles, feast and famine, so stop trying to wave a slow economic period as if its the end of the world. ooooooo conspiracy theorists are soooo spooky lol, tis the end, collapse!! o nooo! lol fucking funny zombies
So dont blame critics, blame your conspiratorial activism. You guys set yourself up to be humiliated and now you do not like it. Remember, at the end of the day Fresco has already said Zeitgeist stands for nothing other than youtube videos.
O did that come after the segment on the Christ Myth conspiracy, 9/11 evil government conspiracy, evil jews rule the world conspiracy, economic hitman conspiracy, spiritual oneness because Peter Joseph says man is god theory? At what point did all that “TRUTH’ (lol), “UNITY”, “FREEDOM” (science says you need controllers remember?), I mean for real, are you just making shit up?
The zeitgeist foundation is the movie Zeitgeist, remember? Zeitgeist Movement=Zeitgeist movies. 9/11, Jews, Christians, Oneness, Peter is God, etc. Dont forget, your movement is a youtube movie activist group, nothing else.
Yeah, life is worst now than it was 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 500 years ago, 1000 years ago lol.
What research? I have checked Peters sources. Acharya S, Helena Blavatsky, Manly P Hall, Godgrey Higgins, Edward Carpenter, wow, have you double checked Peters so called research??? I doubt you have its poor at best. Peter Joseph and the Zeitgeist movement seek to divide and control, this is apparent by Peters Josephs relentless attack of personal freedom, America, and Christianity. Your group has set its self up to ridiculed and mocked, a internet cult, that deserves nothing more than to be made fun of.
Kevin do you even have $1000?
(NOTE: Our Forefathers (not four fathers) started a revolution, they were willing to start a war to establish their independence from their oppressors, they were also farmers and businessmen who actually produced the goods that they consumed.) If our Forefathers had been Zeitgeisters they would have been whining to the King of England that they were working for slave wages and complaining about the lack of consumer goods at their local town store.
Most Zeitgeisters are a bunch of whiny crybabies that are neither willing to fight for what they believe in nor produce the goods they consume. Show me one piece of technology built, (not some sci-fi concept drawing, but something that was actually built) by a Zeitgeister to be used in an RBE. All you idiots can do is point to inventions and technology built, designed and paid for by people in the Capitalist system that you want to destroy.
Kevin got fucked in the mouth by logic, reason, and a healthy dose of ridicule. Dats how we roll sucka.
THIS SITE IS FOR FUCKING RETARDED CUM SNORING BITCH CUNTS!!!! WHO EVER MADE THIS FUCKING SITE SHOULD BE FUCKEN SHOT AND RIPPED AND FUCKING SPAT TO FUCKING DEATH TO FUCKING FUCKERSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jay’s statement of he would not care if Peter was a serial killer is proof that Zeitgeisters’ don’t consider Peter Joseph the truth and the leader, but the ideas he promotes, which are scientifically proven. The fact that you are saying that Peters actions are more important than the ideas shows us, that it is you who is promoting the idea of PJ as cult leader, and not the Zeitgeisters. I’ve been looking around trying to find worthy arguments in favour of both stances, (TMZ and anti-TZM) And I find this……
“Kevin got fucked in the mouth by logic, reason and a healthy dose of ridicule” Logic and reason? I have yet to read any evidence of someone on this website having a fucking brain.
Oh and a facebook post from his mother proves that he lives at home? jumping to massive conclusions.
Most Zeitgeisters live with their mom, this is fact, google “zeitgeist demographics”.
Hey, you are the one with out a brain. Lets see here, what are you claiming to be the point of this post:
a) “Jay’s statement of he would not care if Peter was a serial killer is proof that Zeitgeisters………’”
That shows how you lack brain matter. The point is, will Zeitgeist Members eat shit because science says so? GET IT? You see, Zeitgeist leadership is using science to control their members. They are saying SCIENCE suggests CONTROL, science suggests HEIRARCHY, and SCIENCE suggests moderation, etc. So since Peter Joseph says “SCIENCE IS DIVINITY IN ACTION” and since he says “SCIENCE IS THE TOOL FOR FUNCTIONAL SPIRITUALITY”, then clearly we can see your movement believes SCIENCE IS SPIRITUAL. Then the Zeitgeist leaders tell members SCIENCE SUGGEST CONTROL after teaching them the “divinity and spirituality” of “science and technology”. Now the question remains, will you eat shit because science says so?
Also, just to demonstrate to the audience how utterly stupid you are, you made the following comment: “PETERS IDEAS ARE SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN”, now I CHALLENGE YOU, to show me ONE, JUST ONE, (one only/just one) itty bitty scholarly peer reviewed (scientific) article mentioning TZM, Peter Joseph, or EVEN RBE!!. Can you name one scientist on the face of the earth that has reviewed Peter Josephs material and claims it scientifically valid? Where are these scientific findings published. As a matter of fact, has the scientist Peter Joseph ever written anything that has been published by a scientific or scholarly journal?
See the problem arrises because you want some “rational” counter evidence of Peter Josephs etc, but you think he is a scientist/or scientific! clearly, get your head out of your ass then return and reread. Now you were fucked in the mouth with logic.
Okay. So James Kush. Just so its clear. Im no “zeitgeister” im not some “rbe advocate”. Neither am I interested in eating shit and most of all Im a member of no cult. not zeitgeist, not jehovah’s witnesses, nothing. Hopefully that is clear. That being said….I agree with you for the most part. Do you really need to project and insult people who are concerned about changing the world with a general good intention?…This kind of hateful, pointless negativity is the reason that the average person on the street doesn’t care one ayota about changing the world. Do I agree with everything zeitgeist said? I don’t think so. Do I blindly accept peter joseph’s research sources to be credible becase PJ uses convincing music and a very emaculate way of talking in the movies? nope. But the idea that Money is becoming more of an obstruction than anything else is growing on me. Let me explain before you decide to call me some ridiculous name or attempy to figure out if I live with my parents and all of that stuff you were spewing against those kids/people looking for a place to go for social change. I think (implies that I formulated an opinion based on what I saw and after doing my own research) zeitgeist is conveying a simple message. that money is not monitored enough and is causing problems rather than Good. To people who are inventors, amateur scientists and even professional ones and as well as artists/musicians. Money isn’t something that these people think about when they create or discover something. Its just simply the overwhelming joy of completing a peice of work they’ve worked hard on. then if it sells, great. but its rarely the actual inventor or artist that gets any money.
My understanding of zeitgeists’s fundamental point is that money was a great invention but misused by corrupt leaders. Now its time to think of a world without money where its no obstruction. That was an oversimplified statement as I have no wish to get into deep conspiracies in the interest of saving some time. We humans are capable of a lot im sure you’re insightful enough to know where technological progress stands. We can acheive GREAT things like interstellar space travel, exoplanet colonization, ending world hunger and making humans work together. Instead of living in a world where we take from one give it to the other and mock any new ideas that have good intentions behind them. Politicians regardless of conspiracies are just not effective because they do what we all do. Put our best foot forward when we apply for a job. Then we people are pissed when they dont deliver. Zeitgeist encouraged people to go “you know what…? I never thought of that”. some people ended at that thought. Some people ended their quest for change by clicking “join the zeitgiest movement” and some just forgot about it.
Now onto my main point and why I felt this post was necessary. I think you’re hatefully attacking a group of people that really just want to better the world even if the desire is minimal. Zeitgeist struck a nerve with them. I highly doubt that all of them are mindless drones waiting to wash peterjosephs feet with money as you seem to generalize. They dont see sceience as a religion. they simply see it as the most unbaised, uncorrupt way to solve problems. And problems there are many. Not everyone around you is an idiot or have their heads up their asses. I read every word on this page above me and I didn’t see you do much other than repeat yourself. Jacque and Peter had an argument and have parted ways. That still changes nothing as far as the credibility of the positive will to change things for a general amount of happiness for everyone living. There are 7 billion people on this planet and we all wont get along. We all dont need to either. Change doesn’t need everyone on board. Just enough to want a better world. I dont think you’re an idiot. I dont think that your opinion is invalid. You’re obviously protective of science…well I should say pure science. Which is great. Instead of spewing hate and simply hearing your own voice…beleive me…Not many others are listening. Why dont you formulate ideas for change yourself? Or is it more fun to simply rip on people that are desparately looking to be led into the future where the human race is peaceful and co-operative.
If you are one of those innovative people then Take my suggestion for what its worth. Just work on presenting ideas of change. I personally am working on a few of my ideas. Im not a talented movie editor like Peter Joseph. Neither am I a 95 year old experienced wise man like jacque fresco. But I’m a person willing to learn and willing to try and change something in this very lopsided world we live in. so far the venus project sounds good to me other than a few queries I have about it. Just so you get this out of your head. …again im not zeitgeister. I wasn’t going to address my issues with Peter Joseph. I used zeitgeist to get familiarized with fresco’s vision and now im researching his claims to see if they hold up. I dont worship peter and neither will I eat shit cuz science happend to invent a meat product. Its a funny experiment and unless the world affairs get so bad where I have no more food available. It’ll be time to consider other things….”shit” being the last one on that list…if at all its on that list. Stop projecting like a mindless internet bully and provide some solutions. Zeitgeist has helped a lot of young people to think about things that matter. Not what snoop dogg’s new album is but what the word economy means…young people that I see all the time are worried about the next elections instead of worrying about where the new GAP store will open up. These are young, dynamic, willing to work hard children and young adults who really want the world to be good for the people in africa, australia, america, europe….everywhere on this planet. These people regocnize there are finite resources. they are also aware of counter arguments about infinite resrouces. Please stop discouraging them because you want some mere attention over the internet. Im trying my best not to insult you so that you make a vengeful post. Im simply trying to ask you “okay you insulted zeitgeist quite well…What’re your suggestions on the world changing for global prosparity?” I highly doubt you have any suggestions…not because I think you’re an idiot or anything. but simply because I haven’t seen you say anything useful so far with any intentions of really helping people get away from the cult of zeitgeist. you haven’t advised anyone constructively. If you do have any ideas to change the world……Id also like to see how many scientists, ecologists, economists supprt yours:). Ive already seen quite a few issues being address with a RBE solution. Its not perfect its just hell of a lot more considerate of our only habitable planet.
Please educate me the best you can about some radical idea you have. If you can’t do so. Then take your hateful claims that a handful of people even pay attention to and project them were concerned people wont be mislead by that garbage. Zeitgeist has done a lot of good things….cult or not. regardless. there may be some people in the movement that idolize Peter and that’s fine if it makes them happy but if it doesn’t provide social change then I agree with you. Idolizing Peter is foolish. Idolozing anyone is foolish. But zeitgiest has let a lot of people get up and think about these global issues. If you have nothing useful to say. Just do what seems to be very very hard to do. Shut up. OR….provide an alternative.
Also Zeitgeist being an NWO movement..Maybe. Why should we beleive that zeitgiest is the only true institution in a world full of corrupt institutions? But we dont care about the movie itself. AT least some of us dont. We simply want the issues the movie raises to be addressed and discussed and slowly fixed so everyone on our planet has one less issue to worry about untill there are none left. If you are one of those people who love the free enterprise system and all its done…Beautiful. But It hasn’t blessed everyone like it has blessed you and me. There are children and people who the free enterprise system and screwed quite well and those people would be interested in a change of system. People who are insightful enough to actually DO anything to change anything…dont worship the movie they simply want the problems solved. If you can’t see that, You’ll see that not all people curious to zeitgeist/venus project/peterjoseph/jacquefresco/roxanneMeadows are mindless drones doing what they’re told. Some of them gather and talk and discuss flaws and mistakes the movies had and also discuss change and social improvement. If you can’t join constructive people regardless of they like to call their group or movement, Then make your own…If you can’t…..try to bring about positive change yourself..If you can’t….just shut up lol. Its not rocket sceince to realise that negativity wont help at all. your bulying probably contributed in discouraging those people that you insulted so cowarrdly sitting behind a computer. When that person couldve potentially tried to investigate some of the issues. This whole website is very hateful. And no Im not speaking as a zeitgiest drone. Im simply trying to understand your side of this issue of social change. I haven’t seen one point but Ive seen millions of insults hurled and stupid juvenile comments that dont offer any solutions…research used to put people down when that research couldve helped in the issues. Im sorry If I post seems like its attacking you. In a way I guess it is. I dont mean all this in a negative demeaning way. I am very interested to hear what you have to provide as an alternative.
Sincerely curious to hear from you,
Just A guy.
clear, got it
I do not believe Zeitgeist has a general good intention. The response to the Arizona Murder spree by Zeitgeist Members gave me a very clear idea how Peter Joseph thinks and what he is willing to allow to happen to implement what he calls a “parallel government”. Zeitgeist members did not seem to care that people were killed, as much as they cared about the “awareness” of Peter youtube videos. Then Douglas Mallette who runs “Zeitnews” made a video where he discusses a plan which he proposed to the United Nations to create a RBE community in Africa where he would control everything and eventually destroy any civilization by “eradicating” them from the face of the earth if they committed any property crime on their “food supply warehouses”. Yes, and when Zeitgeist Chapter Coordinators discussed killing innocent people to eliminate the 1% and other chapter coordinators agreed and Peter only chimed in to urge the followers to flag a video warning the FBI of the planned murder spree! I realize Zeitgeist intentions: murder and kill for the sake of Peter, its happened already, they talk of doing it again, is it a matter of time? So at the very minimum, lets say there is no reason for alarm, they intentions of TZM are far from good willed.
Money does not enslave the individual, DEBT does. We do not work for “money”, we work fort the “debt” money pays. Peter whining about money frees nobody, whining about DEBT does. He lets you know the door is locked, and then instead of showing you how to unlock the door, he actually helps you deadbolt it, because of instead of offering you a viable alternative (eliminate all personal debt and overhead), he instead deadbolts his followers into his cult of spreading youtube videos aimed at increasing Peters bankroll and fame at most.
I suggest you research the history of money and discover for yourself the origins of modern money in the 1600′s and how money create a mercantile class when the class was limited to surfs and lords. Had it not been for money, we would all be sharecroppers.
We can see how societies operate today in moneyless societies. We can look at the prison system and the “Mackerel Economy”:
So after we do away with money, we must do away with all mediums of exchange, which includes all personal items because lets face it, we can barter, and if we can barter, we can create DEBT and MONOPOLIES, so how is your money problem solved? It makes little sense. The fact is, if you want to free yourself, you must remove all DEBT from your life.
Peter made it very clear in the “zeitgeist orientation guide” that science was “divinity” in action and the tool for functional spirituality, not GOD. He has also made it clear that it is MAN is who is GOD, the creators, with Godly creative powers (science and technology). So it is clear to me and anybody who cares to pay attention, Zeitgeist is a science religion and Peter Joseph is the head priest, the Grand Wizard.
Young people should not get educated from youtube conspiracy videos, that is pathetic. I recommend people pursue a higher education and learn to live a debt free life. They must also do what they love for a living because they can. Lead by example. Im not going to get on here and try to teach people how to be free, that is beyond the scope of this site. My goal is to expose the danger and irrationality of the zeitgeist cult, not to offer an alternative. If we all destroyed our personal debt by either not paying it, or not accumulating it in the first place, the world would change on its own. Peter Joseph and his cult helps the system, because not one zeitgeist zombie has been told how to escape the rat race TODAY, instead they must dream and wait for utopia, but in the mean time by all means they feed off of: MORE YOUTUBE NEW AGE CONSPIRACY VIDEOS!!!
My radical idea is called freedom. It means you do what you love everyday with no restrictions. That means no job, no debt, and control of your life today. Zeitgeist has only exposed people to new age theosophical beliefs about Jesus Christ, a totally debunked conspiracy notion around 9/11, and the dramatization of the “elders of zion” attack on the jews or “international bankers”. Then what? New age woo, we are all one and we should all embrace oneness? TZM prides itself in recruiting “the low hanging fruit” the easy picks, and thats how they do it, by preying on those deadbeat kids up all night on youtube looking for the latest most radical conspiracy notions and they find the leader of the next oneness spiritual awakening, Peters oneness cult. I find that less than productive.
You seem to believe only a handful of people read my blog. You are sadly mistaken. THis blog, which is contributed to by many people, is read widespread and has influenced media projects, other blogs, media reviews, and journalist exposes of zeitgeist. But I care little if you think my audience is limited. Tis not my goal to be famous, tis only my goal to destroy Peters cult.
I don’t think this blog is hateful. Its funny you say that because you do not see Zeitgeist as hateful even tho Peter Joseph calls Christianity the “fraud of the age”, (AGE as in Peters belief we are transcending “ages” lol fucking stupid) or you do not see Zeitgeist as hateful when they discussed killing innocents and when Mallette said African Natives should be eradicated from earth if they try to steal food, or you do not think Zeitgeist is hateful when they celebrated the Arizona massacre. How can you see past that??? Has my “hate filled” blog advocated murder or violence against the cult? Never. So are you that blinded that you see Zeitgeist as something positive and my critique as negative? Should you not be thankful that this site and the many behind it have done a excellent job of preserving zeitgeists darkest secrets for the world to see and judge for themselves? Should I have remained silent and not publish Zeitgeists hate? Is that it? Wake up. Zeitgeist is a cult and offers nothing good to anybody in this world other than Peter Josephs egomaniacal desire to be your GOD. Have you challenged Zeitgeist on the hate that radiates from the movement or do you only challenge the critics that bring that hate to light?
Sincerely curious to hear from you,
Sir James Kush
First of all. Let me first thank you and also point out that you surprised me with the very polite reply which leads me to apologize to use the term “shut up” and re-reading my post a few hours later does make it seem a ltitle rude. Hope you forgave that. along with my many grammar and spelling errors. English isn’t my first language and I’m trying my best with the few words I know.That being said. your explanation was quite thorough. I also want to point out that after I posted that comment I took a good hard look at the rest of this website and also some of chris white’s videos and other resources you all have provided. thank you for the respectful reply and some cold hard facts.
I do want to answer one thing. I did question zeitgeist. I even called the Venus project for a few specific inquiries I had. If I may share them, I simply asked “zeitgeist said ‘if every dollar of every debt in the world got paid off….we would not have a single dollar left.” “Sorry if im assuming too much but wouldn’t that mean simply…people should work more pay their debts off and bam! money’s gone.” The reply I got in return was very….well brief. They said something to the effect of “that would never work. There aren’t enough jobs out there for people to do that everyone in the world is employed and will work enough to pay their debts off. The jobs wont come back, The people will never be debt free. because money is created through debt. It debt dissapears …money will and that would be great but …its impossible.”
I had a rebuttle to it which wasn’t so much a rebuttle it was more a “could you explain specifically why that’s impossible?” . I was simply ignored…or if I give them the benfit of the doubt they must’ve responded to mroe important queries. That was one of 3 instances where I received no reply. I just figured, they dont have time to reply to it all. That was my extent of any contact or any kind of question and answer session with the TVP and TZM team. I started looking at this site since then not extensively but started nonetheless. I saw serious amounts of ridicule to people who I thought were like me, “people that want a solution to a world where people live and work together.” Zeitgeist 3 made my views a bit stronger when I saw the scientist/doctor explain that people weren’t born to fight and kill each other. Human nature…if it does exist comprises of love and care and indoctrination through good relations.” That resonated to me because really. That would be amazing…would it be possible though?…the more i researched Venus Project, the more I saw some flaws…after all its designed by one man..as smart as he is he’s still one guy with one point of view. But I also realiused that it wasn’t perfect. I did some research in differet types of economies throughout history realised it was as feesable as any other. It would work untill it ran its course. And I saw jacque say the same thing.
As far as the cult thing goes. I’ll agree hands down. Zeitgeist like the mormons, the witnesses, the KKK is all a cult. Are all cults evil? I dont know. Its rare to find a good one. After doing a months worth of research post zeitgeist, when peter said, “join the zeitgeist movement” I knew right then and there this would not work out very well. Because there was no reason for the movement to exist in the first place. They couldve easily called it the “venus project” movement….wouldn’t make a damn difference. And the fight that’s going on now. I think you guys are right in claiming its over money. I also think there’s more to it..which is possesion of power within this system. Ill try to explain that view of mine. Forgive me if I sound condescending…I’ll never understand how people interpret moods from text…blows my mind. Anyway, Jacque and Peter had a fall out because of crediting issues (at least what they tell us) So basically by their own account….jacque got angry that him and roxanne weren’t in control. The thing that struck me weird is I thought TVP was supposed to be free of that control mentality. No leadership system advocates fighting over power and control kinda doesn’t help their case. It seemed weird So i opted our of joining any movements. When I sudenly realised what couldve happened. this is like pro wrestling. There is a show behind the actual curtains that the fans dont see. Peter must’ve gotten angry that all the movement’s donations weren’t going to Peter at all while he was working his ass off editing these movies and promoting the Venus project. to the point where he was the breadwinner for this and decided to tell them what to do with the money. Jacque and roxanne dont want any city actually being built. They mustve underestimated the movements influence and fundraising power. I think they just sell this Idea and make money.
EVEN then…that makes them scum. The idea still isn’t SO bad…I mean there’s a few holes in it…big holes. But none that the world can’t come together and fix. I dont think TVP is communism for the new age. Its similar it borrows from every system jacque knew of I think. As far as solutions go I want to address your idea that I so rudely asked you to present…again…my apologies. I like your idea except one inquiry,….How are people supposed to pursue higher education? Its so imndlessly expensive not just money wise but credit wise. the students dont learn much other than the handful that are interested in research. And its dismissed as “well its not anyones fault that 90% of the students are idiots.” ….I’ll tell you why that doesn’t settle with me. I was born in a small village in india, I lived in a big populated city there named Mumbai, I moved to london england and lived there and now Im in canada. Ive seen education results and small changes making massive impacts on the IQ of the general population. as a result the country prospers. I dont know the stats but im pretty sure from observations that the “third world” countries have more jobs than US and canada do and ever will. In this situation Its really hard to find good education that’s affordable…a few people use the internet quite well and study but not a lot of others take that initiative due to daily stress of work and money. Which is why TVP must seem so attractive to me. I think that the idea still needs to be worked on…improved on and tried out. Perfected if you may. I hope im making sense and not coming off as some idiot with dreams.
I think we’ve gone so far into debt and lost so many jobs. we’d have to fire the machines and hire back the people and bring back the gold standard Just to simply bring the chaos under control and then get together and think of a new system with resources being one important point if not the most important point. Would you agree with that? Keep in mind..Im still searching this site and looking at books of carl marx and ghandhi and austrian economics and trying to formulate my own ideas. I find this site to be a good place to check them since its full of researchers. Wether they’re rude or polite well….I dont see the neeed to be a dick but hey everyones got their style.
“Peter made it very clear in the “zeitgeist orientation guide” that science was “divinity” in action and the tool for functional spirituality, not GOD. He has also made it clear that it is MAN is who is GOD, the creators, with Godly creative powers (science and technology). So it is clear to me and anybody who cares to pay attention, Zeitgeist is a science religion and Peter Joseph is the head priest, the Grand Wizard.”<— That is a direct quote from your response that I find a little interesting. Heres why. I think that you're mistaken to think that all zeitgeist followers share Peters intensity in his beleifs. I think Mr. joseph likes to use big words to come off as intelligent…which he is in a way. I think he likes to give everything he says a very larger than life feel. I would to in order to make a point. I dont see all that as a crime contrary to that very classy fellow, Alex Jones. Most zeitgeist followers I have met…really just have good intentions…Now keep in mind I thought PJ did too. I could be wrong. but they seem very genuine in simply figuring out questions to ask jacque, roxanne and of course peter. These people gather together and discuss these issues. they're kids…19, 20, 21 year olds getting together at the local tim hortons debating these things speaks volumes for the issues in the world and the awareness that internet has created. I loved that sight and knowing that zeitgeist did that was really cool. Most of these people knew about your site (assuming its yours) and raised some good points you guys did which is why I dont think you should think of all of the movie fans as idiots and drones and all of that. as far as living with their parents goes. that doesn't determine much in a poor economy with diminished jobs and barely any job security…If anything living with your parents would be financially safer and of course healthier and better for family bonding. Then again…I come from a country where kids dont leave home till they're grown men and women. So I might be biased there. I hope you understood my needlessly long reply and I hope you found it to be respectful rather than invoking or provocative.
I wish to learn more about the prison style economy that you mentioned…If you could point out some articles you think are objective in this matter. Then please direct me to them. Im not on zeitgeists side…I dont beleive in what they're doing although theres some good aspects. I tried to dig up some dirt but couldn't find too much yet. this site does a good job of digging up more dirt. although you have to admit …the whole site is plagued with opinions influencing opinions with facts backing some up and trends from history backing up the rest. I find the site to be pretty hateful. And I also find zeitgeist to be very very immoral with what they're doing. Its a very broken buisiness model and its very …just downright mean to prey on these people. That guy that always begs for money on VTV radio. I sent him a suggestion where he could learn website design and go around his neighbourhoods business and hand out cards outlining how a website can help them make more money…and well out of every 10 ppl he approached if one gave him a contract it would like 1500 bucks. ….I thought he could run his zeitgeist stuff from home this way and work at home and not have to beg…..I didn't even get a no or a yes from him.
I hope you understand where I am coming from. I dont think we should be against the zeitgeist followers…but instead try to address their concerns by coming together…Hell even on this site we could come together and discuss our issues and all our individual research and see where that takes us. If your idea is the best lets take steps to make it happen…do you know what I mean? ….In a really blunt way to put it. Even though the website offers the other side to Zeitgeist and its agenda. Does it in a very destructive way…I think a lot more can be acheived if this was a place or a new place was made for the movement people to gather and simply focus on the issues…not making movies and nothing like that. You can't tell me EVERYONE on here is an idiot and wont be on board.
Hope my reply wasn't rude in anyway and will give you a better understanding where I stand on all of this…and If I'm making any sense.
I really would like to hear from you and MANY others here, (just wanna solve this shit. not argue about it)
Just_a_guy.