The Zeitgeist Movement recently got lampooned by a Brooklyn College Version of 60 minutes. Video courtesy of Dr. Mario:
This video is currently being removed from youtube by the producers. in case the link is dead, follow this link to the original VIMEO video. Hopefully the producers will upload it to youtube so we can share a “authorized” version. http://vimeo.com/27003447
Zeitgeist Movement must face up to reality. Its time that they open their eyes and realize that nobody in their right minds is going associate the Zeitgeist Movement with anything BUT the first Zeitgeist film. These members are spinning their collective wheels trying to convince people that “The Movie is Not the Movement”, when all they need to do is petition Peter Joseph himself to change the name of the “Movement” away from his comical myth movies “Zeitgeist”.
“THEY ARE TRYING TO SPREAD THE WORD, TO SEE IF THEY CAN SEDUCE YOU, INTO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT”-60 Minutes Brooklyn College Edition (or BCE)
The show interviews one of the members of the Zeitgeist Movement named Lorenzo Segarra. Recently this “shadowy preacher”, Lorenzo “Kill Money” Segarra and his “art” was featured on my blog. However we find Mr Kill Money really loves money, this is the real Lorenzo Segarra, rejoicing with his cash out of his “banker” costume showing everybody he really is a liar and doesn’t want to bring about any type of change other than him waving money around with his friends.:
“SIDEWALK EVANGILISM”-60 Minutes BCE
The Zeitgeist Movie Movement is filmed handing out Zeitgeist DVDs, their prime recruitment tool, on the video. “Get your free DVD and information right here folks”. Yet they claim, and continue to claim they are not a movie series based movement? It is during the sidewalk evangelism where the lies and misinformation is spread. This is where the members of the Zeitgeist tell people about the corrupt nature of money and the un-sustainability of our current system, fair enough, but this is where they do not explain that anybody who supports the movement will end up spending tons of time defending itself from religious and conspiratorial claims since the movement is derived from and named after the production of those conspiratorial claims. Yes, when you join the Zeitgeist Movement, be prepared to explain to people that you are not in a cult and be prepared to explain that the conspiratorial film series in which you have now adopted the name of, has nothing to do with your movement. Lovingly amazing.
“FOLLOWERS CAN DOWNLOAD THE FILM SERIES FOR FREE, DIRECT FROM THE MOVEMENT WEBSITE”-60 Minutes BCE
Zeitgeist Movement will always be associated with the first film. When the Jared Loughner murder rampage took place, Glen Beck did a piece on Zeitgeist, it was only about Zeitgeist Movie, not RBE or sustainability, and whatever else Peter Joseph and his “evangelical”-”followers” try to convince people. Every single time a news group picks up on Zeitgeist and parades the first film, months, even years of a members work talking about RBE concepts or whatnot are erased, down the drain.
Even recently, Comedian Joe Rogan came across the Zeitgeist Movement and he immediately associated the film and the movement:
“ONE ACADEMIC EXPERT WHO KNOWS HER WAY AROUND CONSPIRACY THEORIES SAYS THE ZEITGEIST MOVIE, MAY BE NOTHING MORE THAN A LITTLE BIT OF BULL” -60 Minutes BCE
“I would say its a grand conspiracy theory, linking three previous strands of conspiracy theory”, says University of California History Professor Kathy Olmsted of the Zeitgeist Movie. Kathy has written three books dealing with conspiracy and secrecy in the United States Government. She explains that the film makes a great recruitment tool since it is designed to be compel and offer a “grand theory that explains everything“, rather than be authoritative. She claims that if the movement did indeed have 500,000 members, it would make it the largest movement of its kind in history, altho she doubts the truthfulness of the movements claims. In reality Peter Joseph has revealed in interviews that movement has less than 50,000 members.
IS THE MOVIE THE “BIBLE” OF THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT?
60 minutes BCE asks that question exactly. Members are forced to explain how the “movie is not the movement’, which has been revealed as something the Zeitgeist Members spend alot of time doing: THE MOVIES ARE NOT THE MOVEMENT. Members of the Zeitgeist are point blank asked by 60 Min BCE about the hypocrisy of adopting and promoting the films while simultaneously denouncing the film as Peters personal project. They must feel real stupid having to explain how the obvious, the movie is the movement, is not true.
Fortunately for Zeitgeist Movement, 60 minutes BCE doesnt go into to much detail on why the Zeitgeist Movement got canned by the Venus Project, as this represents one of the most embarassing aspects of being a Zeitgeist Member. Having explained for years to family and friends that they were proponents of a system designed to save the earth only to be ridiculed by the Venus Project as know nothing followers of Peter Joseph during a huge spat between Peter Joseph and the Venus Project over donation money. The irony in that the anti-money movement splintered over money!
The 60minute BCE broadcast shows how several members of Zeitgeist Movement appeared as extras in the film, and the “line between the world as they see it today, and the future they envision, became blurred when they were invited to act as extras in Peter Josephs third film”.
First the segment features a montage of members who are extras interviewed so far:
Following the three extras we get an image of another extra, a young girl holding some money, “Another viewer attracted to alternatives to the monetary system……………………………….“, Zeitgeists were hoping that an interview with the young girl is up next but then this image suddenly appears on the screen:
….The Zeitgeist Movement is hit with the Loughner bat. The segment refers to this incident:
“THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT IS EXPLICITLY NON VIOLENT“-TZM
Well, lets assume they are non-violent. Lets not let forget how excited Zeitgeist was when people were murdered and the Zeitgeist name was attached. Many saw it as good news and none seemed to care that lives were lost. In fact, when it was revealed the possible connection between Zeitgeist and Loughner, we exposed membership comments on facebook and internal forums celebrating the publicity. Here are some comments from the forums and facebook:
Right after the segment on Loughner and his murder spree, we go back to Mr Kill money, who is “[Preaching] The Zeitgeist Gospel whenever he gets a chance”-60Min BCE
Zeitgeist Members are ashamed of the video, upset to say the least.
Members are struggling to explain the stigma of the Zeitgeist Movie:
Some members are passing out the contact information and personal facebook links of the people behind the segment:
They have been labeled as trolls by the movement:
Peter Joseph plans a video response:
Peter Joseph ego must be hurt because many more people care and pay attention to this type of publicity than anything else he has tried to push across recently:
(FROM THE ZEITGEIST GLOBAL FORUM/POSTS BY ADMIN ARE PETER JOSEPHS POSTS)
Clearly the green arrows indicate that in 1 day the 60 minutes BCE segment has trumped Peter Josephs “Media Festival Thread” and his “Brazillian CineFuturo” Interview. Could this be what Peter Joseph wants? To humiliate himself and his movement towards further fringe popularity? Could it be that the Zeitgeist Movement does not really care about “RBE” and a “sustainable future”, but instead it really cares about attracting attention to its odd curious conspiracy myth movies? Or is the Zeitgeist Movement truly ashamed that they cannot escape the stigma of being associated with one of the most debunked conspiratorial movies on the web?
They’re fucking idiots. While the 60 minute piece was not a real 60 minute piece, the teacher of the journalism class is an editor for CBS news in a major media market (NYC) and pissing off the news media by harassing them usually doesn’t end well. Then to fan the flames Merola is going to end up making things worse by attracting attention to it.
Hi, I’m in the Zeitgeist Movement. I would like to ponder on some interesting issues brough up here.
NAME: Okay, if you ask -ME- I would say, subject wise, “Resource-based Economy Movement” would be better, for it actually relates to what the movement talks about. I believe PJ (PM if you wish) gave the movement the name Zeitgeist for it would link it to something already made famous (as so he sad he did, + or -), like start swiming as a wave passes by. About a petition to change the name, let’s see, it might be bothersome, but it’s maybe not unpractical, the less if you’re improving the name for the better (“Venus Project” doesn’t say much about anything too, name sake alone). I personally don’t care about Zeitgeist: the Movie: a) I don’t care about religion. b) Humanity is already so hostile and indiferent to one another that the “inside job” thing, if true, would just put the cherry on top of the already big fat ice cream of shit. Anyway, if the objective is to unite people, as Fresco may say, you have to approach them IN A WAY THEY CAN RELATE TO. I don’t fail to see that people who hate Zeitgeist: the Movie would harass the movement also called “Zeitgeist”, that was created by Peter Joseph, the movie’s maker, even if the movement’s ideas have nothing to do with it. Considering that the word “Zeitgeist” is german, now joke wise, many of the “haters” (couldn’t come up with a better word) might hear “Zeitgeist Movement” as “Satan’s Nazi Movement”. Good chance here is, unadvised people, even who doesn’t care, might link both things.
This is an important subject, not only about the name of the movement, but about many things for the matter. Some questions should be asked here: What is a “good idea”? What makes an idea “good”? What is “good”? How does people think “good”? Is “good” socially constructed? Does the life people led and every day incidents creates they’re majorly socially constructed idea of “good”? How many people lead different lives, therefore might have different ideas of “good”? Finally, if everyone has they’re own “good idea”, how is your idea any good? In a practical sense, one might say that a guy (this might not be historical, just for the sake of the point, the scenario is though) in ancient India who thought of scraping the middle of lined side-by-side tree truncks so that the temple/palace construction mat would not be stopped by a rock in the way, is better than a guy who thinks of using slaves or elephants to force the mat over the rock. This idea worked in the individual sense of the building-sake-only-practical-perspective guy, but it if the other guy had a slave dealing business and an religious adoration for elephants in a social sense, this idea sucked big time (slaves & elephants disagree). Therefore, in social sense, your ideas are only as good as they’re, in kind of a vulgar sense, popular. There is, nevertheless, an intermediate standpoint between the individual and the social and it is the bedrock of any sociaty, non-human society, or multicelullar organism (in fact it is, in a sense, the basis for world/universe as we know): communication. In other words, hold my hands, darling, kiss me – any idea is as good as it is communicable. In a world that individual perspectives doesn’t work for all society and popular ideas might fail to some individually, all in a vast array of senses: sensorial, valorative, religious, etc., the best you can do is to pass on what you believe in the best way you can. I could go on with this subject but, meh, you already had the work to read it till here.
If The Zeitgeist Movement wants to retain any professional credibility, they need to completely divorce themselves from the film series that bears it’s name, as well as any information that has proven to be baseless.
They WANT to do good and besides a handful of loud mouthed ignorant basement dwellers pissed off at “the man” and infowars rejects, most people are well meaning and intelligent. Let’s not put everybody down because painting everybody with a wide brush would be dishonest.
The Venus Project got scared off from The Zeitgeist Movement for the very things that any college level journalist can point out. Peter is going to burn all his energies out fighting this uphill battle while the message that doesen’t belong to him (or anybody as ideas matter more then people) are what matter. While this story was not a hit piece, it needs to be known that a majority of supporters are good people, they just need to learn when to shut the fuck up because they are embarrassing themselves.
-an independant observer
It’s far too late to divorce themselves from conspiracies. Fresco was right, if Peter Joseph doesn’t want to keep running in place he should dissolve The Zeitgeist Movement. You can’t divorce yourself from the flagship film that spawned a ‘movement.’ Sorry if you’re upset, but you should of known that coming into a movement based on a conspiracy theory film. (and don’t tell me it’s not. It’s caled the Zeitgeist Movement after the first film as a way to solve the problems pointed out in Z1. Let’s stop pretending)
True, but nonetheless, the first movie is hardly advocated by the movement and the members doesn’t care about the fisrt movie’s base since PJ didn’t have even a clue on what was a RBE, as he himself states, he has gone away from this direction, for he doesn’t care. From my point of view, many people have a grudge against Pete cause he said there’s no Jesus, so what? You never met the Man anyway, didn’t keep y’all from believing in Him.
Anyway, yeah, in a sense, you are right. Peter is not the movement, he doesn’t want to be, therefore, why continue to name the movement by the name of his movies? It is already two things connected enough only for the fact that he’s movies are, for many members, the major source of information. At the end, all one really has to do is understand the concepts, wich are not complicated, and, if you like it, tell other people about it.
I’m getting tired of reading these apologist comments.
Good point let me think about it for a bit… no wait it’s crap. You don’t need to disprove Jesus by using nonsensical debunked arguments. It’s like trying to disprove unicorns using dowsing rods. Merola knew what he was doing when he made Zeitgeist: Addendum, The Zeitgeist Movement and Zeitgeist: Moving Forward. Instead of making a whole new title for his films and ‘movement’, he decided to attach his stupid conspiracy theory movie to it. Stupid, stupid, stupid. So now not only does he have the huge hurdle of convincing people that RBE isn’t just communism 2.0 (Calling RBE communist is an insult to communists) but he’s got to convince people that it’s no way connected to conspiracy theories. The only argument against it is “The movies are not the movement” Whatever. TZM needs to die and you guys need to stop passing out DVDs and circle jerking on the forums and actually start figuring out how the fuck you can get computers and machines to fill the unspoken needs of 9 billion people.
I can’t wait to see another video by Peter Joseph Merola whining about this, pausing with the red screens complaining about how TZM is “colored” in the wrong picture or whatever stupid shit he said before when he was dealing with Stefan Molyneux. They should be happy that they were not called communists.
“apologist comments?” O.o apologize to who? who’s there to be offended?
Matheus Tironi, do you know how to use a dictionary?
apologist – a·pol·o·gist [uh-pol-uh-jist] –noun
1. a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc
He responds lol.
Sorry ’bout that. English is not my main language. Thanks for clearing it out. Uh, ok, in the matter of the new context now brought to me, I think it was kindda of a strange comment to make but… what to do? ^^” I can’t come here and agree or disagree with some points? I think many of the criticism that TZM, TVP, RBE, name it receives are valid. I might “be on” TZM, but all I do is majorly sit in front of the computer and follow up news, like most “members”. There’s rarely a gather of the group of some kind for most people. Many members actually conversate more about the shortcomings of what is putted forth on PJ’s movies or Jacque’s ideas more than anything else. We just continue to do it for we see SOME sense in what is said.