Zeitgeist Movement express desire to commit terrorism against “the elite”
The FBI has been notified.
READ THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENTS INTENTIONS TO COMMIT MASS MURDER ON THEIR OWN FORUM: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=230&id=350893&Itemid=100114&lang=en#350893
Agent Matt of the Conspiracy Science Forum has caught members of the Zeitgeist Movement planning a mass killing, similar to one already committed by Zeitgeist Movement influenced Jared Loughner and the Norway killings.
The comments in the Zeitgeist Forum regarding killing 1000 people is striking. As a long time member talks about being pushed over the edge and wanting to kill 1000 people to speed the process towards Zeitgeist Movements proposed utopia, other members urge him on and justify the use of violence.
Other members have spoken violently before. For example, Douglas Mallette has a famous video that was removed from youtube because of its extreme violent overtones where he described controlling a proposed RBE city built by the UN in Africa that would kill, annihilate, eradicate, and eventually wipe off the face of the earth any group of people that would damage their facilities. Another member described beating critics of Zeitgeist Movement with a bat. And still the most famous example of Zeitgeist Movement violence is when a sick person named Jared Loughner went on a rampage shooting people in the face and also killing a young child, he was later accused of being a Zeitgeist supporter by a friend and friends father.
But now we have something quite different. FROM THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT:COMPLETE THREAD: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=230&id=350893&Itemid=100114&lang=en#350893
First, I am a pacifist–Although not absolutely. I understand the fundamental innocence of humanity, the innate value of life. That every human being, regardless of social and political stature later in life, is born equal, born innocent and pure of all conceived evils. What dispositions one develops contrary to the human condition, over the course of life, is molded into one’s fibre despite what one would prefer in an innocent yet knowledgeable state of mind.
The extremely minor group of people to whom I display not the slightest inkling of sympathy (about 1000 people in the United States), I do so understanding very well that by destroying these people we could fulfill multiple objectives critical to improving the human condition (I am a pseudo-utilitarian):
1) Their existence is directly in opposition to our objectives, as our existence is directly in opposition to their objectives:
A) They will not hesitate to employ any political and legal means to hinder our advancement.
B ) They will readily, and without the slightest hesitation, destroy us.
C) They will corrupt and manipulate our image.
D) They will consciously portray us as violent, whether or not we pursue violence–Jared Lee Loughner
2) Their existence is directly detrimental to the well being of every human being:
A) Some of these people have within their grasp the fate of millions if not billions of people–At a mere whim they could toss us all into a state of depravity the likes of which we cannot comprehend.
B ) They have corrupted our institutions of government and social welfare into lackeys in their imperialistic campaigns.
C) They have profited from war crimes–Millions have perished for the sole purpose of increasing their profits.
D) Country, life, god, identity, moral obligations, and the future, are mere words in their vocabulary and play no factor in the decisions they make–Except to manipulate the sheep into supporting their agenda.Ask yourselves, do you believe they will have this same discussion amongst themselves when they feel their condition of existence is jeopardized by us?
I should also note that I do not believe these things with certainty. I am very well aware of the power of peace and love during social turmoil, as displayed so blatantly by Mahatma Gandhi-But Gandhi did not threaten to destroy the British Empire, he merely struggled for the freedom of a single colony from a single empire. We wish to dispose of countless corporations and nations from existence–To believe that they will merely accept their fate is foolish to say the least. Thousands of Indians perished in the struggle for independence, imagine how many people will perish in the struggle for humanity’s independence from the very ideas of nationality and capitalism.
Here is a response from the Massachusetts Chapter Coordinator:
It is aII weII and good to not participate in vioIence as a Movement as a personaI choice – but we must be carefuI to not engage in horizontal hostiIity and Iook down upon those who do wish to use direct action to dismantIe industriaI civilization. The unfortunate thing is – vioIence is extremeIy effective as a tactic. We can’t put up the Gandhi shieId and ignore reaI proven tactics that resistance movement have used throughout history. It is fine if we as a Movement do not participate – but we cannot stop others from using them. For exampIe – destroying dams or energy infrastructure wouId be extremeIy effective at deIaying the ecocidaI practices that are murdering our pIanet.
Just a thought. I don’t want to participate in vioIence myseIf – but we need it aII and stopping actions that actuaIIy heIps us in the Iong run just because we may happen to not Iike vioIent tactics ourseIves is immature.
This is an above ground movement – but there are underground aspects to any resistance movement.
And still members push the deranged member to “burn them all”:
The potential mass-murderer Zeitgeist Member responds:
I should make it abundantly clear before I continue that I am not comfortable discussing this matter, for I am not a very violent person. But with the recent barrage of atrocity preceded by atrocity, I am weak spirited and it has generated within me a sort of fury which has compelled me to consider this option as a sort of temporary remedy to our ails. I certainly hope that everything I am about to say is utterly wrong.
Also, this discussion is not isolated to the movement, but in relation to any individual disposed to revolutionary conduct.
[Violence] does breed more violence. Case in point: The violence inflicted upon the masses by the few has led me to consider applying violence onto the few. This is true, but I don’t think this fact alone is sufficient to render violence an unfavorable option. For I do not believe it is the violence itself that breeds more violence (casualty), but the hate that results from the infliction of the initial set of violence that then increases the probability of violence, as a sort of illogical solution or to avenge the initial violence inflicted (correlation).To analyze whether this would apply to the destruction of the elite we would have to consider multiple factors: How many lives would we save in the long term by destroying these individuals; how many lives we would have to destroy; how lives would be destroyed as a result of the hate generated thereby; etc. Regardless, I believe it would still be to our advantage to destroy these individuals, since a single decision made them jeopardizes many more people than we would destroy.I must disagree with the statement that violence is a tendency of the uneducated. Since the elite often apply violence to expand their economic and political dominion–I do not consider them uneducated, although perhaps improperly. They apply violence to pursue their objectives and they have succeeded for millenia. I cannot help but believe that I have taken a very twisted and deranged perspective on this issue. But one cannot overlook the fact that violence has in fact assisted them over the centuries and that they are not uneducated._
Yes it will also hurt the family and friends of the individuals to be destroyed. But you must also take into consideration that should these people remain alive the choices they make will hurt many many more people. In fact, the number individuals who would be hurt directly by their actions will well surpass, by many many fold, the individuals who will be hurt indirectly by our actions. Although, I would like to believe that if they even a shard of sympathy in their conscious, they will understand that these people are the epitome of evil, and we have every right to destroy them in the enterprise of preserving the continued existence of human life on this planet in as superior a standard as possible. If they have the gall to mourn the loss of these individuals, then they are as tyrannical as the individuals should perish._
I would love to remove my violent tendencies, but it is becoming awfully difficult; particularly when I observe the treatment of my fellow revolutionaries by their hands. I wonder how the media would react should one of them experience a mere fraction of what we have experienced?_
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“The means IS the end”:I’m assuming this means that to reach a greater state of existence we must apply those tenants of existence into our regular life (i.e. be the change we wish to see), immediately. Resorting not to extraneous, i.e. violent means, to achieve this greater standard of existence. It makes sense, but I do not believe that this philosophy is set in stone, populations have resorted often to extraneous actions (not reflective of the ends) to achieve the ends without negative ramifications. Consider the struggle for independence of a nation:_
The actions to which a nation might resort to achieve that independence is not necessarily reflective of the foundations upon which the nation itself will be established once it has disposed of the tentacles of empire._How can I advocate the destruction of life, yet abhor the idea of propagandist tactics? I can, since the destruction of that life would not be inflicted by the revolution; the sanctity of the revolution must stand at all times, preserving it’s pure pacifist stance. A single individual would destroy that life, fully detached from the revolution. And the individual would destroy their life, understanding very well that he is jeopardizing his own in the process. The revolution cannot resort to propagandist tactics, for the use of propaganda would mark a surge of corruption in the revolution: I.E. the rise of the Soviet Union. How would we define the limits of our propaganda? And WHO would define the limits of the propaganda?_
[It] is of great detriment to us to deny the reality that at least two groups of people exist: The elite, and the masses. For these two groups of people possess two diametrically opposing sets of political and economic interests for which they fight and struggle. The elite are willing to destroy us to preserve their quality of existence, and we are willing to destroy ourselves so that the elite may preserve their quality of existence. Sounds a bit absurd, but this is essentially what happens in war. One group of economically deprived serfs travels thousands of miles to destroy another group of economically deprived serfs so that the elite may preserve their standard of existence. I believe the time has come for the serfs to destroy the elite so that their standards of existence may improve._
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I support [Gandhi’s disposition] as much as the next rational and pacifist individual, I only wonder how long we continue pursuing this before they release the chlorine gas down Main St. They will not surrender! Nothing short of literally killing them will make them stop killing us. You must understand that by preaching pacifism in this regard you are still advocating murder, but of the masses rather than the elite._
It is for this reason that I do not believe the revolution itself should be violent. But a clandestine group of individuals; the revolution must continue preaching peace in the streets.I’m sure you understand that they will have the media on their side during the entire course of events. We will be painted as the most horrific and violent people imaginable. And, chances are, we will have people marching against us._
They will stop short at nothing to quell us, and from what I have seen so far we are hardly prepared for the hell that they are going to send us through._
As a movement, we do not condone violence. BUT we can be willing to accept it may take many different tactics considering our goals & what we are up against……I have many other problems with the pacifist use of the idea that force is solely the dominion of those in power. It’s certainly true that the master uses the tool of violence, but that doesn’t mean he owns it.It seems clear to me that violent and nonviolent approaches to social change are complementary and unavoidable even though I would not participate in violent acts unless it was a matter of survival or self defense._
Okay, realistically-if our backs our entirely against the wall-what are we going to do?? of course we don’t condone violent behavior against the elite– but -it could get to the point where we have to defend ourselves_
The use of violence for self-preservation is a basic human right, it’s the only legitimate violence there is……There are some powerfull individuals in the world that only fear a gun. They are beyond the law, and won’t stop until they are forced to. I won’t shoot a politician, but I won’t pass judgement on the man who does either.We must respect individual violence, since we cannot realy stop it in our midst. When masses try to impulse change, a minority will always be violent (not counting the guaranteed undercover agitators). Maybe they don’t know better, maybe they are desperate, doesn’t matter. We are not a revolutionary army, so we are not responsible for individual violence among us.Material damage is not violence, nor is resistance to authority.
IMHO , i wouldnt mind if they all were found dead. Alot of these so called elite are made threw thievery and deceit. A majority of them didn’t become wealthy in a positive way._
Violence? To whom? Where are the people who are responsible (MORE RESPONSIBLE) for what has been happening and what will happen if we do nothing? I don’t want to hold the organizeable people responsible, but those who organize them. I, myself, don’t think change will happen any other way unless these people are confronted face to face. My interest has shifted today from caring and dedicating energy to topics about reality and science to something along the lines of finding the people responsible….Anyone who has anything to say about being violence should at least know who is causing the most damage and at least dedicate their own energy to finding them and talking to them personally…_
Although, I must say, I am extremely surprised that this idea has had such a positive reception. I interpret this as a manifestation of our universal angst and impatience. We do not know what to do, for our individual observations of the general mass has lead us all to essentially the same conclusion: That little hope exists within this context, we doubt that we can awaken them before it is too late. As one individual has mentioned previously in this thread: Desperation and hopelessness leads to violence. We must merely ask ourselves whether we can justify this violence._Upon creation I had expected, and, truly, to a much more profound extent, hoped that the bulk would disparage me, raise vehement opposition to what I had proposed. I am not glad that violence is accepted by so many as a legitimate course of action–Regardless of its minor application by a select few in a clandestine fashion._
The system will get violent, we are the system. So we can now justify anything we want to.. I hope we can give ourselves a chance too._
You have provided little to no support for your argument against violence–The fact that you live in a violent society is no reason to oppose violence. Should you have lived in an RBE would that justify opposing an RBE? Certainly not. The argument against violence is, nonetheless, an extremely simple one: To not harm others, understanding that by harming another you are harming yourself, for we are one extended family lost in a twisted world.
I, then, attempt to justify violence by raising the argument that by harming a select few we can prevent them from harming many more.Certainly, it is a bit unrealistic to hunt down 1,000 of what could be the most difficult game in the world. Then again, we are to some extent disposed to pursuing the unrealistic in this movement. I also understand that they will be replaced._
But consider also the following: 1000 need not die before the people realize the motives behind the actions. I suspect that before even the destruction of a dozen, fear shall sink into the loins of the elite and they will realize that an institution has arisen violently disposed to their existence. Their potential destruction will become a factor in their economic formula. They will debate whether they can afford to risk implementing certain economic policies without being destroyed in return. The destruction of even a handful of the elite will serve a profound symbolic function: That no longer are the people dormant and passive, that no longer will we accept our exploitation and mental corruption; that for so long have our wishes been denied politically, economically and socially that we now seek other mediums to pursue our needs, foremost that of the barrel of a gun. We will no longer subject ourselves to the torment and futility of public and civic display understanding very well that this enterprise is designed well in favor of the established order–Failing dreadfully to fulfill its intended purpose. Perhaps I did not make it clear in the previous posts of mine: TZM will not commit the destruction itself, rather a rouge, clandestine group of individuals detached from any socially progressive movement.Do you truly believe that this is an attractive proposal to most people?For TZM to destroy them? No.For others to destroy them? I do not know, possibly. That is the purpose of this thread to figure out whether the advantages outweigh the ramifications. Could you really look the children of your victims in the face and tell them that murdering their parent was for the betterment of the world?If it’s the truth, yes.By the same logic, wouldn’t killing you and other TZM members be just as justified to others from their point of view?
Possibly. Of course by joining this movement we assume that we have assessed the human condition correctly and that they have a corrupted perspective; therefore if they kill us they will have made a dire mistaken, where as if someone killed them we could praise them for having made a considerable contribution to humanity.
We are all violently inclined given the right circumstances. And we are all participating in structural violence that causes far more death and destruction than all the crime in the world. Yet, very few people openly advocate violence.
It is socially incorrect to do so. But again, look at the mass behavior of humans and you see violence on a large scale. That is why I argue that the pacifist stance is hypocritical.
We are not necessarily what we say we are
Still another violent Zeitgeist members add:
I’m almost 100% positive that we will need violence in the end to get rid of the last parts of the so called elite but in order to make sure it won’t bounce back on us we need to make sure we are prepared. Preparation means indepandency from their tools, re-educate our self and children, perhaps even going back to basics and learn how to become hunter gatherer. The moment we resort to violence without preparation we will be ridiculed, and even worse….if we are centralised we will be wiped out in a matter of minutes.
Everyone knows what thrives this so called elite, our hunger for consumer goods, usefull and useless…we don’t care. So it’s very simple to draw the conclusion where the solution is, only feed our basic nescesarities, try to get of the grid (rain water can be filtered, power can be caught from waterflows, wind and the sun and instead of a car many of us can use a bicycle. Learn what our planet provides us for nutrition and grow your own foods if possible.
Once these goals are achieved we can resort to eliminating the persons of whom I believe, they have no right of being part of a human society as they think they are above any natural law. They are much easier to pinpoint as we took away their tools of subjugation making them panic and people who panic are prone to making mistakes.
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Some members want to keep the murder plans secret so the Zeitgeist Movement wont feel heat after the killings:
Perhaps I did not make it clear in the previous posts of mine: TZM will not commit the destruction itself, rather a rouge, clandestine group of individuals detached from any socially progressive movement.Perhaps you’re missing the obvious: You are posting your murder plans on the TZM Forum. When you are caught, TZM will be blamed as well._
I am well aware that forces exist in this world that people can yield exponentially more powerful than violence, I do not deny this fact. Such as critical thought–That, should a population have this weapon in their possession, tyranny would not find domain within the chambers of our judicial and executive halls. The general deprivation of this force in the people is but one of multiple factors that has compelled me to indulge the possibility of this otherwise heinous act.
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My murder plans? I did not realize that speculative discussions on the legitimacy of violence necessitated also the title of “murder plans.” I have no intention of killing anyone.Furthermore, I would not be offended or angered should this thread be removed; frankly I hope they do remove it since I realize the very likely possibility that should another loughner like incident occur, and should the media stumble upon this thread, they will not hesitate to connect the two.
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As discussed in this thread: http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forums/topic/zeitards-express-desire-to-commit-terrorism-against-the-elite
posted here: http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forums/topic/where-to-report-terror-threats by “wolf bird”
https://tips.fbi.gov/ <– FBI, domestic terrorism
http://www.dhs.gov/xutil/contactus.shtm <– Dept, of Homeland Security…links back to FBI
https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia/report-threats.html <– CIA, for international terrorism
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/how-you-can-help-us.html <– for British
http://www.fsb.ru/ <– for those in the Russian federation
https://www.csis.gc.ca/cmmn/rprt_thrt-eng.asp <– for Canadians
“Why do we not condone violence against the elite?”
Why we do not condone violence against the elite.
Peter Joseph is also making calls to remove a video I uploaded reporting them to the FBI:
This type of violence is a public enemy and hopefully the FBI will hold TZM and Peter Joseph complicit in any atrocities.
wow I gotta make a video about this.
let me know when its done so i can post it
LOL
Nice ;
Only one minor correction that pops out of all of that:
> Douglas Mallette has a famous video that was removed from youtube because of its extreme violent overtones where he
> described controlling a proposed RBE city built by the UN in Africa that would kill, annihilate
I don’t offhand remember him using the term ‘kill’.
“annihilate”, probably, that seems to fit with my memory (I’d have to dig around and find the video/mp3 to be sure.), but that could also be a business term to put ones competition out of business by having a superior business model yourself.
From what I recal he was being rather egged on by if I remember, Thunder (Who apparently now has turned over a new leaf since loosing his various admin rights. (I did ask him, did you become nicer once you lost your admin rights, or at some other time, but for some reason he didn’t wish to answer that question..(I have a suspicion that people may well be more inclined to be unpleasent to others once they are in a position of power..) For whilst he is nicer, I still saw communication difficulties in conversations he was involved in, only this time he would bow out and be peaceful when relationships between people became strained.)) who has/had a delightful manner about him that just oozes conflict.
For all of TZM’s failings, and some of their members, Douglas strikes me as one of the least troublesome, though sometimes a bit easily lead, perhaps due to his slight enthusiasm in improving the world.
With recent riots in the UK, it does concern me that any efforts to stir up trouble are not a good thing, even though the vast majority of TZM folk are too apathetic to do anything, and if anyone needed a slap in the face to change the world, I know where my hand would land!
It is a pity they banned most of the people who kept telling them to go and build something, rather than break something.
And is why I’m still a fan of Douglas, as he is a builder, and has some influence on keeping the rabble a bit focused on a more civillised approach, though sadly we don’t see so much of him around to keep the peace.
Whilst I’m here, I might wish to point the finger at the TZM TeamSpeak server, as there has been threats of violence made there in the UK, and the mods/admins aren’t doing anything about it !
It is perhaps interesting to study that most of the people suggesting violence are themselves what one might consider Elites in their own rights, often living at home with a relative or parent, on state benefits and enjoying all the privilages that modern life can provide them, whilst at the same time, objecting to even richer folk who may have two cars, against their access to one..
It’s a bit ironic isn’t it!
Somehow I imagine this reminds some of us of the 1960′s, or 70′s, or 80′s..
Seems every decade people get upset, don’t do much about it, apart from break a few things and a few of them end up getting well paid jobs, perhaps even a few become millionaires, and still no one fixes the world much, other than looking after themselves, having forgotten all their ideals of youth..
“.. though sometimes a bit easily lead, perhaps due to his slight enthusiasm in improving the world.”
Therein lies the problem.
In a worldview where: the ends become them means… Feeding starving people, then anyone that stands in your way of achieving that goal becomes “expendable”. People out to save the world, given power, see anyone standing in their way as the enemy and evil. The Zeitgeist mentality doesn’t start out being violent but is easily corrupted to become hell on earth.
The Zeitgeist movement fails because it has no transition plan.. It has no means to accomplish its ends, so its followers get frustrated and when that frustration reaches a high enough point it leads to riots and then violence.
I already reported this crap to the FBI and I’m damn proud of it! I’m also proud that I posted a short list of other counter terrorism agencies. After I finish with some crap I need to do I’ll probably post more.
Proud of attacking a movement that actually seeks in a NON VIOLENT way to help all mankind to reach a higher level of evolution… wow! you are smart. errr NOT!
UPDATE: Peter Merola deleted the thread, as predicted.
In case anyone is missing page 3 of the thread (I think we are talking about the same one!), I have a copy here one can grab for a short while before I remove it in the interests of web safety:
http://www.nanos.org.uk/downloads/index.php.htm
As I just happened to have it still open to read at some point, but hadn’t got around to it yet.
> The Zeitgeist movement fails because it has no transition plan..
It used to have no real plan, but latey I have noticed a large segment of what is left of the population there actually do want to do something practical, but sadly much of their efforts are diluted, replicated, eg. 20 people all doing the same thing and not working together.. (There are what, 5 reprap projects, none of which are helping each other..)
If only PJ would help direct effect to be focused and get everyone on the same page, we might see something actually useful at the end of the day.
But it does worry me that violent comments/etc. are not stamped on as heavily as they should be, considering how much heavy censorship went on previously, but then they probably had more moderators then
WOW YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING IDIOTS , Why have you made it a personal quest to destroy, TZM / TVP , I don’t agree with them 110% but come on, ARE , YOU WORKING 4 SOMEONE, OR DO YOU JUST HAVE A PERSONAL VENDETTA , OR IS THIS RELATED TO RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY, OR DO YOU HAVE SOME OTHER HANG-UP, IT IS REALLY SAD THAT YOU WOULD FILL OUT AN FBI REPORT, IS PRETTY FUCKING LOW, SAD AND PATHETIC OF YOU……. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY PROPOSE ARE THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE AND WITHOUT THESE LINES OF THOUGHT , OR PLANET IS LOST AND HUMANITY IS TOAST………… PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CRITICIZE AND OFFER NO ALTERNATIVE MAKE ME SICK, WTF IS YOUR ALTERNATIVE, THE FREE MARKET, I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING TOO MUCH ALEX JONES VIDEOS, I MEAN HE HELPED WAKE ME UP, BUT , COME ON, THE FREE MARKET IS A FANTASY….. CAPITALISM IS A SICK JOKE , PERPETRATED BY THE ELITE , SO THEY CAN MAINTAIN CONTROL OVER THE POWER TO CREATE………….. Peace
Dear readers.
I spread the ideas of the zeitgeist movement. Call me a member if you want. that word is meaningless to me. i simply work with people who have a common understanding and objective. If the zeitgeist movement fades our it doesn’t matter. I will find another global organization or start my own. who communicate these ideas:
You can be self sufficient in 2 ways:
locally:
grow your own food. have community gardens. community power towers, solar panels. anything you can make locally just do it with volunteer labor and donated or self-generated resources. try to make as much as possible and donate it to the community.
globally:
this is much more efficient as there is an abundance of ALL resources if we share. second eliminating the class barrier by generating an abundance and offering equal access to all people would create equality, stability and unity.
I want to make a resource based economy from the inside out. i want people building houses for their family and friends on donated land with donated cement, be it chemically made or mined with wood donated from a self-sufficient renewable lumber mill / renewable planned forest.
This is what 99.9999999% of us want.
A handful of people on the internet said some dumb shit so now people claim that this movement is a terrorist organization. What a emotional word to throw out there.
Abundance is good and all, but scarcity kicks in when you take into acount the one comodity that can never be increased in supply: time.
So let’s say we have access to unlimited capital goods (not things we would want as a consumer. Raw materials, machines that produce..etc.) Let’s say we see scientifically that it’s scientifically effecent to produce potatoes and wheat based foods. We produce all of this wheat and potato based foods and some items people might like to supplement (asparagus, artichokes, meat…etc.) We build factories to equip ourselves for those kinds of diets. Then there’s a rush on meat and artichokes because people get sick of potatoes. Well now we spent all that time making machines for making things people didn’t want, and not enough on what people actually wanted. We now have WASTED potatoes and wheat, wasted metals and plastics on the potato/wheat farming equipment. Now extrapolate that though the entire ‘economy’ People didn’t want iPods, they wanted smart phones. They didn’t want LED e-books, they wanted eink or real paper books because of headaches. What you end up is having a pile of junk people can’t use or don’t want/need. Even if you create an insane abundance, you’ve squandered them and more importantly you wasted the most valuable commodity of all; time.
Science is a great tool when it comes to figuring out how to make technologies for abundance creation. We can figure out how to make ‘super foods’ and amenities to make life comfortable for all, but we wouldn’t know if it’s logical to make it without some mechanism for consumer feedback. We could take surveys (as I have hear proposed) but that would be something that would need to be updated every single minute of every single day as demands are constantly changed.
The scientific method has failed us economics. We forget that empirical economics like Keynes, neo-classical, and even some parts of Chicago Schools of econ are scientific approaches to economics. Econ is a subject that can’t be tested in a lab because technologies are ever changing as well as consumer preferences.
Now as far as terrorism goes, I have made that claim and I will be making a video correcting myself on this claim. However, it’s important to note that the vast majority of comments on that thread were in FAVOR of killing innocent (we can debate if their ill intents exist and whether they should be held accountable) people. People whom TZM looks up to, namely VTV, Peter Joseph where quiet and let that thread continue for almost 4 days. It wasn’t until the critics pointed it out and reported it to the FBI that any actions were taken. That simply cannot be ignored.
And on a side note, of all the groups that ether advocate an RBE (i.e. Atlas, TVP, RBOSE) or RBE similar concepts (i.e. anarcho-communists, technocratic communists…etc.) why would you support a group like TZM? Think about what the biggest gripes are about TZM. They fact that their namesake and their movies are conspiracy theories and a lot of the followers are, for a lack of a better term, lunatics. Why are you giving credence to the lowest common denominator? I think it would be like being a socialist and supporting someone like Naomi Klein over someone with some brains like Noam Chomski. Just my 2 cents.
This websites is extremely sad, so sad to see how you are trying to distort what the Zeitgeist movement really advocated.
To say that the Zeitgeist movement inspires people to violence just because a couple of sick people that happen to”follow” the movement did an act of violence is like to say that Christianity (to mention a religion) is equal to terrorism when a sick radical Christian kills or commits an act of violence against someone that goes against his believes.
So you are using lies and reformatting and manipulating people to believe that the very core of the movement is evil and engaging in terrorist activities, and that is a lie.
I believe in what the movement advocates, but i have also my own voice, and i don’t believe in violence, there might be other people out there that are taking what the Zeitgeist movement really pretends to be and taking it in the wrong direction.
You can blame an ideology or religion for what its members or followers do, you can only judge it by its saying and teachings not by its interpretations that many times are wrongly distorted.
Please stop lying! the Zeitgeist movement only advocates equality, freedom, love, a higher level of consciousness, a better and healthier set of values, in concrete a better world for all mankind.
Here i will attach a video by the movement where they explicitly say they are against violence.
Zeitgeist members like to act like only ONE or a FEW members were advocating killing hundreds of innocents. They forget that Zeitgeister Jared Loughner already killed a bunch of people including a little girl, and they forget that half a dozen Zeitgeisters were promoting mass murder on the thread. Nor does this “peaceful” Zeitgeister explain why the mods only chimed in to request a FBI tip video to be removed. Clearly, Zeitgeist Movement with its doomsday predictions and no remedy or solution is driving people crazy to the point of murder.
“Please stop lying! the Zeitgeist movement only advocates equality, freedom, love, a higher level of consciousness, a better and healthier set of values, in concrete a better world for all mankind.”
Sounds like Scientology to me.
You can say that Zeitgeist preaches all about love but at the end of the day it will become just like any other organized religion that has been created by man through time, people know that the problem is practice not principles.I assume you’ve watch Addendum? Peter Joseph used J.Krishnamurti at the very beginning & end of this film to explain the point about self responsibility but felt short on understanding his message, because J.K made very clear the the true problem is the individual realizing the importance of a radical change in himself(not in all mankind or society). You can’t form a ideal and try to organize it in the way zeitgeist is trying to do? You will always have followers of any organization not practicing what they preach because it is in the very conditioning of human to be violent when it comes to defending or spreading an idea. Which is all that zeitgeist really is an idea, not actual.
http://www.ijourney.org/?tid=354
Do you see the big contradiction in what people in the zeitgeist organization are trying to accomplish? No different than any other organization out there that claims to have the solution to a problem or in this case a better solution which is only being modified not changed completely.
http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-text.php?tid=41&chid=1&w=fear
http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-text.php?tid=867&chid=5183&w=conflict
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You should be ashamed of the lies you are spreading. No amount of money they pay you, does not worth the damage you are doing.
The world is sick of lies, and for once we are starting to wake up.
Our governments are killing us, not the zeitgeist movement, witch WE ALL ARE!
You should be proud of the lies you are spreading, you’ve been hurt so much to justify giving the world the pain you’ve been given and then some more.
You would make a good politician. Have you hear of something called OBJECTIVITY?
Great site!
Totally illustrates the flaws in modern society and the need to move forward into a social system that cares for everyone. This includes the ‘ruling class elite’, that sadly many people whether ‘Zeitgeist’ or not seem to blame.
It’s not the people, it’s the game that’s wrong, let’s put away the board, and stop playing monopoly, not plot how to ‘destroy’ the winners.
Please join the movement, and help spread awareness.
To the author of this site: If you are able to keep an open mind and discover one day that TZM is not a cult, will you have the courage to post that you were wrong, and that collecting these posts that conjure a very narrow view of the movement was not particularly helpful to creating a better future for us all?
Thanks.
First of all, you’re all idiots. This is pure sensationalism.The Arizona guy was mentally ill and was a fan of the 9/11 conspiracy zeitgeist video, not the TZM, and the Norway killing has nothing to do with anything. You’re demonizing an entire forum for the idiocy of a few people. You splattered violent images among the forum posts. You’ve built a strawman argument.
You’re acting like you’ve exposed a huge conspiracy that was being publicly discussed on a forum by a few crazy people. You also need to recognize that EVERY POLITICAL MOVEMENT is monitored by the FBI, including the OWS and the Tea Party people.
Hey dipshit, those few crazy people are leaders within Peter Josephs personality cult. They want to kill people, do you deny that? Do you deny that Zeitgeist leadership only intervened to call for the removal of video showing the forum being turned into the FBI? Why didnt peter cult leader chime in to say mass-murder is wrong? Let me ask you, are those “few crazy people” still coordinators within Peter Josephs cult? Were they ever banned from Peter Josephs forums? The fact is, you are in a Peter Joseph religion, and you would defend your fellow mates and celebrate them if and when they kill, just as zeitgeist members celebrated jared loughner when he went on a murderous rampage. your an idiot for being a peter joseph dick rider.
As peter him self says. It’s not about him, it’s not about the World “Zeitgeist” or some cult. Just forget it. It’s all about freedom and HAVING ON OPINION. As Budha said
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
(nothing, not ZM, not FBI, not Goverment etc, unless it “agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all” – it’s a built in human feature and is as simple as that)
and that’s the mine idea of ZM movement. If you don’t see it, you just don’t got it. You people are so lazy, just want to fallow something. For example this crap. Stop right now. Or you will be always fooled from some dumb monkey shit. Just listen in those Budha words and go for it, build your own movement – that brings happiness and justice to this world – if you feel like to. IT DOESN’T MATTER.
Just stop wasting your time fighting & critisizing things, instead get you BALLS and to something good, make it at least 50-50. And if finally we all do that INSTEAD OF FALLOWING something like SHeeps, world will turn out just fine.
About video “Zeitgeist and TVP leaders are terrorist call the cops! .wmv”. Dude say’s something like: “yes it time put them jail, fbi, i read definition of terorism, what i read is true, i just come down from tree and want a banana. And if FBI writes that terorism is not jumping from 10 floor, I do it”. That brings me nothing but a big laughter. Lol, such prick, do you research and than go public.
It’s like people are getting violent on Jopseh here, it doesn’t seem like a violence recursion to you? Maybe let’s stop it!? I like critisizm, but these are bunch of fulls making things just bigger and complex as they are.
http://blog.thezeitgeistmovement.com/category/tags/nonviolent-communication – that’s for ZGM being violent, lol.
“As peter him self says”
If you don’t want people to call TZM a cult, then stop saying “peter says”.
“it’s not about the World “Zeitgeist” or some cult.”
You meant “word”.
“and that’s the mine idea of ZM movement.”
You meant “main” idea.
“If you don’t see it, you just don’t got it.”
You meant “get” it.
“You people are so lazy”
Those who follow shit blindly are the lazy ones, follow, not fallow.
“Stop right now.”
But then I’ll be lazy.
“Just listen in those Budha words”
I read it, not listen, and still think TZM is dumb monkey shit, also, it’s Buddha.
“build your own movement”
I’m happy volunteering to help others when I can with other volunteers.
“instead get you BALLS and to something good”
I don’t feel like correcting anymore.
“SHeeps”
ZEitards.
“About video “Zeitgeist and TVP leaders are terrorist call the cops! .wmv”. Dude say’s something like”
The funny thing about that video, was that, it’s like he predicted they were going to talk about terrorist acts almost 7 months before this article came about lol.
“It’s like people are getting violent on Jopseh here”
It’s like you didn’t read this article.
“I like critisizm”
Please learn how to spell.
“but these are bunch of fulls making things just bigger and complex as they are.”
*sigh*
“that’s for ZGM being violent, lol.”
You can say non-violent, quote MLK, passive resistance, or whatever, but it doesn’t change the fact that they wanted to kill 1,000 people.
Correcting someone for their spelling mistakes when they are obviously foreign is pretty silly in itself…
Look at the foundation of TZM, look at the message that it’s fundamental roots try to spread. Human beings are subject to making mistakes, the people in that thread are conditioned by the violence of history and the present day society. Be in favor or against the ideas of TZM, and do so after thinking critically and asking yourself how you are analyzing the facts. Don’t be the one spreading hate and insulting the people. Don’t judge a whole movement by criticizing a few individuals with labels. If you are a critical thinker you will look at what TZM and being in a RBE really means, as opposed to calling it a terrorist cult because of a thread made by people who misinterpreted the ideology.
I will say that you are wrong, but I do not need to insult you in the process.
Aberrant and violent behavior isn’t a result of conditioning.
Where do you think they learn this behavior? How do you think they formulate these ideas? You see how in the thread they talk about how revolutions have needed violence in the past. People are conditioned to believe that attacking the opposing party is the most effective way to “win.” Do you honestly believe that people would solve their problems with violence if they had not been given that example throughout their whole life?
The plural of anecdotes is not data. No matter how many times Fresco talks about his travels with the noble savages, it doesn’t stand up to the peer reviewed data that states clearly that tabula rasa (aka the blank slate theory) is a bunch of horse shit. “Where do you think they learn this behavior? ” is a creationist-like style of asking the wrong question. Kind of like when a flat earther asks why people in china don’t fall off the earth. Not where do they learn the behavior, it’s why do they exhibit those behaviors.
I never said anything about the blank slate theory. Experience has a huge impact on the personality of a person, but that’s not to say that there is no “base” to begin with. The blank slate theory is just as ridiculous as Socrates’ theory of forms.
Doesn’t matter if you outright expressed it. Your comments on behavior demonstrate it. Experience only has a narrow impression of a person’s behavior, the bulk of it is genes and human nature. Society doesn’t make you violent, your genes do.
Then what makes you not violent? Conditioning? Shampooing?
lulz
Polishing. (bald)
“Correcting someone for their spelling mistakes when they are obviously foreign is pretty silly in itself…”
I didn’t check his IP, I just did, I checked yours too, my bad. The people that are “foreign” usually say at the end “I’m sorry, English isn’t my first language” or something to that effect and John sounds like a good ol’ American name. I’m always told America creates stupid people by people for TZM because that’s what Jordan Maxwell said in Z1, so I’m offended either way, don’t go around saying you’re for educating people if you can’t spell, seriously. Also I already talked about this shit earlier today.
I still don’t understand the need to attack his spelling mistakes, when, clearly you can understand what he is trying to say and counter his ideas instead.
“I’m always told America creates stupid people by people for TZM because that’s what Jordan Maxwell said in Z1, so I’m offended either way, don’t go around saying you for educating people if you can’t spell, seriously.”
I’m not quite sure what you mean by this. What is it exactly that offends you?
That shit was just a mess, if I wasn’t going to correct him, someone else was.
“I’m not quite sure what you mean by this. What is it exactly that offends you?”
/facepalm
It may sound condescending of me to say so, but it is beyond me why you and so many other people are so full of this similar hate. You can continue attacking people like this on the internet for as long as you please; hopefully some day you realize how unnecessary your behavior is. I sometimes wonder how we are going to solve the basic worldwide problems… It’s not the few people in power that scare me, nor the ignorant/uneducated people that follow the establishment. It’s intelligent people such as yourself that firmly and unquestionably believe what they believe simply because they have been conditioned to do so and cannot see themselves from an objective point of view.
AJP it’s not called RBE in TZM it’s called RBEM (Resource Based Economic Model) as declared by Peter Joseph Merola the leader of TZM.
Semantics.