Peter Joseph, leader of a radical terrorist group called “Zeitgeist Movement” has been making extreme efforts to cover up the internal discussion taking place on the Movements forums regarding the killing of 1000 innocent people.
Upon realizing that the forum was being monitored, the violent talked ceased as members complained that the murder plot should not be public. Peter Joseph is well aware of the discussion but his only input into the murder plot was to ask his followers to flag a video informing the FBI of the pending atrocity.
Clearly Peter Joseph should be held accountable and charged with murder for his roll of not putting a stop to the bloodlust discussion, but instead by trying to keep the FBI from finding out, if a murder does in fact take place.
Peter Joseph, a terrorist, also tried to change the name of thread to remove its murderous overtone. It changed from
“Why do we not condone violence against the elite?”
to:
“Why we do not condone violence against the elite.”
Soon the Zeitgeist Member who wanted to hunt down 1000 innocents and destroy them realized all discussions were being published, he back tracked and tried to re-spin his story on the world famous Conspiracy Science forum here:
Peter Joseph then hid the murder plot from public view to prevent law enforcement from gathering evidence about his intentions and what he is allowing to cultivate within his fold.
Here is the internal Zeitgeist Movement mass-murder discussion, now censored by the evidence concealing Zeitgeist Movement:
Your a scaremongering twat.
Peter Joseph is logically minded scientist with a vision for a better life for all to call him a terrorist is to fail at recognising true humanity. U should b ashamed of yourself.
Scientist? Really? He is a art school drop out who made a youtube movie about 9/11. Dont be sooo stupid damn terrorist cult member. Yeah he wants a better life after he allows his members to plot and kill hundreds of innocent people. He is a piece of shit scumbag just like you buddy.
“Peter Joseph is logically minded scientist…..”
Put down your comic book…… Step away from the internet…….
Here are screen shots of the original discussion.
http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m591/RonaldoDeLosMuertos/Zeitgeist%20Forum%20Screenshots/
You can see if you scroll through the photos, he changed the name of the thread right before my very eyes.
Peter Joseph Merola is a scientist in the same way that a naturopath is a doctor.
“Scientist? Really? He is a art school drop out” … and what? Einstein was horrible in school since he disliked it.
Wiki Pedia…
“His father intended for him to pursue electrical engineering, but Einstein clashed with authorities and resented the school’s regimen and teaching method. He later wrote that the spirit of learning and creative thought were lost in strict rote learning.”
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Early_life_and_education
How he got to play the violin…
“Albert Einstein did indeed play the violin. However, it was the school teachers who told Einstein’s parents that he was “too stupid to learn”. Albert’s mother then had him begin violin lessons. He did continue to play up to and throughout his adult years.”
Source: http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n15/mente/musica.html
Albert Einstein was a genius and one of the smartest men who walked on the face of the earth.
The Wright Brothers had a bicycle shop and still where scientific gifted and geniuses. The most gifted people are those outside of the so called educational system. Which includes also a genius called Jacque Fresco who also was a school drop-out. Education and school has nothing to do to be gifted, creative or having special abilities to develop better understandings of things and circumstances. Actually, education destroys them quite successfully. So … and your point is?
As it looks like the person who wrote this ridicules article, seams to be another victim of our current global educational system. How do I know? The person writes in absolute certainty, an article based upon “argument from ignorance”. I’ll demonstrate …
The title… ‘Zeitgeist Terrorism Plot: Kill 1000 People Forum Discussion Hidden by Peter Joseph’
Now were should I start?
Let’s start with the first three words “Zeitgeist Terrorism Plot”. The Zeitgeist Movement is made up of over a half million supporters registered in the international website site, not counting the national once. All of them where participating in this so called plot? Those three words reflect nothing else than ignorance and of vicious nature! The movement is made up of so many people sourcing from various cultures, races, backgrounds and even classes. To just select a forum discussion of a particular small group in which Peter Joseph was no even part of, as an absolute source, is very far reached and was meant to provoke, not to inform. Furthermore the so called screen-shots are not complete. Way over 90% of the discussion is missing. All the so called information is contextual. Meaning the whole story is missing. We actually can’t see what provoked it or the provoke of the discussion neither do we have any idea of the responses from all participants. Therefore, I have to dismiss all of it.
Now to the word hidden, which by the way is erroneous chosen. If all these discussions existed, which we can assume due to the screen-shots, than they have been removed from the forum and not hidden. This is common praxis in the Internet. Just try the same thing in Youtube, Facebook or any other Blog or Forum. I would kick you of in an instant of my forum. If you violate the rules, ethics, principles and/or philosophy of the owner of the site the content will be removed, not hidden. Now to a important question I have to raise. You were personally present when Peter Joseph has “hidden” the discussion? How did he let you know? Do you have evidence for that?
I personally like to note that this whole site is full of BS… I actually unsubscripted. I can’t handle the level of ignorance and stupidity anymore. It’s contaminating my mailbox.
“The mother of all fuck-ups, are assumptions.” This site is full of them and sets traps for them too.
Now the cult members think their GOD is a scientist, f–k you’re stupid.
90% of the discussion is missing? Desperate attempt to convince yourself buddy. The whole thing is available, try again.
Peter Joseph was part of the forum thread, again you are dreaming, he asked his cult to remove a video turning TZM to the FBI.
Funny how you forgot to mention Einstein earned a mathematics and physics degree from Zurich Polytechnic. As with most Zeitgeist followers, you have learned to “quotemine.” Albert Einstein was certainly misjudged by many of his early teachers, but these were not people with any background in the area where he earned his fame. As for the information being contextual, in what context is the discussion of who you will need to murder to achieve your poltical ends not an indication you belong to a potentially murderous cult? Are such conversations normal in your universe?
I didn’t say that! You just fuck-up, James. I just didn’t agree that a school drop-out couldn’t be a scientist or genius. Read before answering! Obviously you aren’t a scientist. Ignoring is being ignorant! Convince me of what? There is nothing to use to convince me of anything. Words alone are pointless, James. So was this article.
Convince yourself 90% of the discussion is missing. You just refuse to face the facts Zeitgeist Movement as a group was planning to murder and Peter Josephs only input was to call for the removal of a youtube video reporting it to the FBI.
NOTE: 99.5% of the discussion is available on this site! But this person wants to convince others that 90% is missing!!! Very few posts are missing, 2-3 of 60. And they are missing why? Because the cult personality Peter Joseph erased after he changed the name of the thread, and after he asked the cult to flag a video informing the FBI of the terrorist plot. So you can drop the whole spill that the convo is incomplete, that is nothing but a diversion tactic by cult members to deviate from the truth.
I am shocked that you want us to keep the planned murder of 1000 innocents a secret!
The article is pointless? So you think its ok for a social movement to plan to hunt down and murder 1000 people? You think it was wrong for us to showcase the mass murder plot?
What facts? Show me the so called facts? Some forum snips of a few people taken out of context, you call facts? A forum discussion that has been complete removed due to violation of the forum rules and philosophy of the movement, you call facts? So what you are saying is that over a million supporters worldwide of the movement will murder 1000 People? Does that sound sane to you?
Now, the FBI considers a grandma being part of antiwar peace movement to be terrorist so what? Get a realty check please!
Now to your question if I want that 1000 people get murdered. The answer is a big NO. I’m pacifist and so many other supporters of the zeitgeist movement.
If someone write he is pacifist and supports killing than he or she is not an pacifist, like stp52x claims. You can’t be two things at the same time, or can you?
I don’t like your extreme generalization that you use when you refer to couple of people, which apparently do not share the same values and philosophy of the majority of the movement supporter, as zeitgeist movement. It’s a discriminating and over all a ignorant statement. It’s like you see one Neo Nazi writing hate messages on a Blog or Forum and say all Germans are Nazis. This is the main reason why I consider this article pointless and stupid. It’s a worst kind of stereotyping.
If some dumb-ass or dumb-asses should plan do something terrible than murdering people that the FBI or any other authority should do what needs to be done to prevent it.
“The mother of all fuck-ups, are assumptions.” You do to many James!
The whole thread is available!!! WTF are you talking about lol?? You are in denial! 99%+ is available for you to read. Have you read the whole thing or are you just talking out of your ass?
Damn you are desperate. Prior to being removed, the forums name was edited! Then Peter Joseph used the thread to flag a video warning the FBI! Then he removed when the CS forums got linked up on the thread. Its an attempt to cover up the plot. Violation? HA! Peter joseph himself participated on the thread! Keep trying tho!
Why dont you read the thread before commenting? The thread makes it clear it would be a small group committing the murders, not all imaginary million members. I can tell you are having a knee jerk reaction and your comments reveal you have not read the thread. I get it, your religion is under assault, calm down, breath, read the thread, dont murder.
Antiwar but pro maniac killing spree of 1000 innocents, the irony, HA!
Are you insane??? Even the OP commented he was shocked that the movement was supporting his killing spree!!! Stop acting like it was a “couple” of people. Thats a lie just like your fake ass line that 90% of the thread was missing. Man, you seriously need to read it. Check out the recent video by Rolando De Los Muertos for a damn good summarization of the plot:
Its not an extreme generalization, members within the Zeitgeist Movement are discussing what a great fucking idea it is to kill hundreds of people. Not one member, not two, not three, not five, but many members within that thread supported the killing spree! Wake up! Lives are at stake!!! Dont you care??
Yes those dumbasses happen to be disciples of the Zeitgeist movement cult of Peter Joseph.
My assumptions are backed with screenshots and links to direct sources.
I like how you dropped the whole 90% of the thread is missing lie, now if you would read it and check out how twisted your cult is, maybe you would wake up and notify the authorities.
ONCE AGAIN: You think it was wrong for us to showcase the mass murder plot? Should it have remained Peters lil secret?
Ok James… Most people would just read the first couple posts. I did actually read the whole “speculative discussion” as mentioned by stp52x on post #38. That is all what it was. Yes, also from my viewpoint. Mostly what I have noted that this thread was a continuation since stx52x quoted VenusFreedom777 in post #1. This quote had to come from somewhere. So where did this discussion really begin? And what has provoked the continuation under a new thread? I ask questions James. Also I can not tell if the discussion continued in the same manner on another thread or really has ended there.
Now to my observation of the speculative discussion, in total there were 22 participants. Six openly did consider violence as means, six are pacifist but would not judge if some else would resource to violence, especially in the particular case of self defense. The rest of the participants are strict pacifist and believe that violence should never be used at all. So those twelve people, to be generous, represent the entire Zeitgeist Movement of over a half million of official supporters? Just to point to the ridicules title election.
Now to the video, quotes were used randomly form all participants and where completely contextual. Specially what caught my eye immediately was the post of AntiPt which was cut of purposely on the bottom to disguise the fact that he or she made his or her first post in the forum.
I’m not desperate. I just have a low toleration span for BS. Also there was no evidence what so ever of any participation of Peter Joseph. He never was mentioned once in the discussion, neither the so called prove of the video, has proven anything, no names no nothing. As said, there is no evidence what so ever and therefore is a false claim.
I also like to note that hate is the strongest human emotion of all. So please don’t do the assumption and accuse me of being emotional.
I don’t dedicate an entire site, write false claim articles, produce material taken out of context or participate to attack Peter Joseph and the Zeitgeist Movement.
So it is not I who apparently has an ax to grind. The extreme hostility is more than obvious since a stereotyping is being use in the most extreme form.
This type of hostility sources from hate = human emotional acting.
Dont assume that I think ALL zeitgeist members are planning and wanting to kill. I do not believe that, that would be insane to say. But in a thread of 22 participants, you yourself say 6 openly advocated violence, that is a disturbing high ratio, roughly 28%!! Thats extremely dangerous if we consider the Zeitgeist Movement has one million members and if we applied that ration, we are looking at 280,000 people advocating the death and murder of innocents. But lets give those 280,000 people the benefit of the doubt and assume this sample base is somehow skewed so that the only members who advocate violence in TZM are THESE 6 people. ALL IT TAKES IS 1 PERSON TO KILL MANY!! The point of the discussion, is not that the Zeitgeist Movement as a whole, 500,000 members or 1million, or 280,000, advocate and desired violence, but the fact that a) the TZM ideology is pushing a handful of mentally unstable members to the point of no return: THE LOSS OF LIFE.
This loss of life is something you do not seem to concern yourself with, you are more concerned with the movement as a whole being painted with a broadstroke of mass murderers. You recognize that 28% of the commenters in that thread were openly advocating the murder….are you at all worried that innocent people will be killed? Do you not recognize that Jared Loughner was influenced by Zeitgeist and people were killed and injured including a child? Now do you not see a disturbing trend in which somebody plot a mass murder in a Zeitgeist Forum and members are divided on actually carrying the act thru? That is sick, every member should have turned that proposition down, but thats not what happened. This reveals that the ideology of TZM is flawed at the core, it has created a US VS THEM mentality and members are left with few options, some are turning to violence and violent thoughts, this is undeniable.
As far as Peter Joseph goes, you seem to ignore, time after time, that Peter Joseph himself changed the name of the thread, openly commented on the thread asking members to flag a video turning the thread into the FBI!!! Why do you keep deny that? Are you mentally blocking it out? And when you do finally acknowledge that Peter Joseph was trying to prevent the FBI from finding out, are you going to come up with some kind of twisted explanation justifying Peters censorship tactics? When are you going to care that lives may be at risk as we speak? Are you saying lives are not in the hands of certain TZM members as we speak?
False claims? Out of context? Every claim I post is supported by either a screenshot and/or direct link to the primary reference. If I was making false claims, why would I display the link to the full discussion? In fact, it is the critics and myself who are trying to bring the full conversation to light, and it is the Zeitgeist movement and Peter Joseph hiding the information! If we are making false claims and taking things out of context, show me the full original thread by TZM, you cant. It us us who are trying to put the WHOLE thing on display.
No but it is you that seems to care little if people are killed. It is you who is upset that we are bringing to light something Zeitgeist is trying to hide. The only extreme hostility taking place if Zeitgeist members promoting killing, murder, and terrorism on the TZM forum, and TZM influenced members killing innocents including children.
If TZM members go and kill, what then???
“Statements by the members are not the movement.”
You are extreme over saturating the numbers here. You making a assumption again and terrible calculation! The movement has over 500,000 supporters that have access to the forum and are potential participants in discussions. We take 500,000 as a fixed value. Your error percentage can get up to 99,9956% since you do not know anything of the 499 ,978 people tendencies and values. So big BS here again!
Give me prove, not words! Prove that Peter Joseph changes the name of the thread. Don’t give me bla bla bla … I don’t care about words if there are not founded upon solid evidence. Your screen-shots have no prove. His name does not appear anywhere or he has been mentioned.
I care a lot about people, another fuck-up of yours! Don’t assume who I am. You know shit about me. Does that finally get in your head. Stop making assumptions! You false claims and accuses can harm more people that those dumb-asses in the forum thread. But you can think, can you? You don’t get it, do you? Just to give you an idea how things can get out of control judging people with bias, dualities or stereotype values and use argument from ignorance…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt
http://www.umich.edu/~nwroc/flyers/flyer-1.htm
Let’s run the numbers again, shall we? If I take your 28% and apply this percentage to the 500,000 supporters, you could falsely accuse 12,500 people and could destroy there lives and of there families. If I take 99,9956% of the possible error percentage, about 499,978 people, you easily could destroy there lives by falsely accusing them, including there families. It would be even more devastating. As you can see, I have a quite more rational approach. Compare this to the 1000 people which even have been killed or harmed in any way. But you don’t care about the 28% lives, neither about the 99,9956%. You don’t care if they get in trouble with the FBI or any other authority do to your stereotyping and get them listed as terrorist because of false accusations. The problem I have with this site and the author or authors is how words are being phrased. the election. They phrased very dangerously and apparently without taking in account of the consequences it could have. The same thing as the 6 people in the forum thread, just with a different approach. In the end people will get harmed.
I see things quite differently James.
You can live in as much denial as you want, Peter Joseph used his ADMIN account to post on that thread, under the admin account, he urged the followers to censor (“flag”) a video turning the thread over to the FBI. Dont worry if Peter Joseph used his admin account to do it. I know he did. And when the FBI comes knocking, either before or after a Zeitgeist murder takes place, they will know who used the admin account to change the name and call for the FBI tip video to be removed.
As far as numbers go, over a quarter of a Zeitgeist Members on that thread were openly advocating violence, that is based on your numbers (6 of 22). Thats an alarmingly high percentage of people urging somebody to mass murder for a peaceful non-violent movement don’t you think? I mean lets think of it this way, if I get on the Red Cross forum and express my desire to kill 1000 elite people, how many would raise their hands and say “fuck yeah do it!!”? Tell me seriously. Do you realize how you are upset that we have showcased a disturbing trend within this group of people. Now imagine that the ADMIN for the Zeitgeist Movement (no doubt Peter Josephs puppet account) gets on and asks for help pulling down a video turning the thread to the FBI? Do you not see the danger in any of this?
I ask if you are concerned at all with innocent lives because you seem much more concerned about the Zeitgeist Movements members reputation as a whole. Your words:
Your right, at this point, people getting in trouble with the FBI is not my concern. Whats my concern is that somebody in Nevada as expressed his desire to murder and I am concerned that the Zeitgeist Movement members urged him on, and the admin gave silent approval by protecting the integrity of the thread by changing the name of the thread, calling for a FBI tip video to be removed, and eventually censoring the thread altogether. I am concerned about the lives at risk, not about the reputation of your sick cult.
So do me a favor and don’t whine to me about your cult being branded because I do not see you protesting the members who called for murder on the Zeitgeist Forums. Why are you not on the Zeitgeist forums chastising those that made those comments? Instead you are here claiming I took the whole segment out of context, regardless of the fact that it is us that have preserved the complete dialog and it is the TZM who has hid the discussion!!
You are barking up the wrong tree buddy. If you are truly a pacifist and care for humanity, you should be asking the TZM why the ADMIN (peter joseph) tried to sugarcoat and protect a horrible discussion. You should be asking your fellow Zeitgeist Members why they were advocating violence and you should be concerned that Chapter coordinators were involved in the talk.
“I know he did.” NO you are assume he did! Big difference! As long as you don’t have evidence, it just a assumption.
As said, your calculations are horrible and you are stereotyping since you can’t judge upon 6 peoples what over 500,000 are or will do. It’s discriminating , unjust disposition and simply wrong.
“Your right, at this point, people getting in trouble with the FBI is not my concern.” I know your disposition and also learned a great deal about your values. You are a hypocrite.
This conversation has ended. Fundamentalist mind is like rope pulling with a tree. There is no room for logic nor reasoning.
Have a nice live James!
bye member of a terrorist cult
Excuse me James but don’t you think I’m proud of being a terrorist? and calling TZM members terrorists will only give them smiles?
Why do you keep calling it a cult? By definition you could call any movement a cult….just like this one o_0
“cult” to me sounds like a word you would use to describe a “evil group of people”. The definition relates to religious practice like prayer and worship, and a high level of determination.
Being a member of TZM I can give an example of this; I worship the leader of TZM Peter J, I like being called a cult member or terrorist, and I murder people by the command of Peter J. Also I pray to robots, I’m insane, and I pray to satan, and I promote communism. Because the Resource-Based economy is communism. Just like in the show Death Note you can successfully create a loving society on the blood of the evil.