Zeitgeist Attempts to Hijack Occupy Wall Street Movement to Create New Global Government   100 comments

Zeitgeist Movement is hanging its banner on the achievements of Occupy Wall Street and are now attempting to use the Occupy Movement to set up Peter Josephs Zeitgeist Government they call “Resource Based Economy”:

NOTE:  PETER JOSEPH AND ZEITGEIST HAVE CENSORED THIS VIDEO ON YOUTUBE….WILL BE UPLOADED SOON….WE ARE SEEING AN EXAMPLE OF ZEITGEIST MOVEMENTS CENSORSHIP APPARATUS AT WORK.

Posted October 18, 2011 by James Kush in The Zeitgeist Movement

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  1. I don’t believe the premise of this very misleading title. You are very wrong in your conclusion that anyone is hijacking OccupyWallStreet; it is a true global grassroots movement. Stop creating completely unnecessary and unproductive drama.

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    Anonymous
    October 18, 2011 at 8:01 pm

  2. We currently have a Zionist Occupied Government (AKA ZOG), one which answers, soley to Tel Aviv.
    Don’t want to believe me?
    Just do some research on this subject, starting with Obama’s cabimet and work down, to all the president’s to Lincoln, for starters.
    Check out the past and present IMF and US Treasury directors, also the FED.

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    Thomas Bleming
    October 19, 2011 at 1:48 am

  3. This shit is funny:

    http://www2.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=233&id=359036&Itemid=100114&lang=en

    They created a facebook page in order to hijack the #OccupyWallStreet Movement.

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    Mario Brotha
    October 19, 2011 at 10:00 am

  4. My god people!!! why wouldn’t you want a scenario like this. It is a start to a solution for the problems of this planet.(the only one put forward i might add) Only good could come of it. Look at where we are headed people, open your eyes. THE WORLD SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

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    AllGoodLuke
    October 20, 2011 at 4:51 am

  5. Since there are no more forums and the site looks boring now, this is what I was talking about:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Parallel-Government/303816482965469

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    Mario Brotha
    October 21, 2011 at 1:30 am

  6. you are whack dude, no substance and just looking to hijack Peter’s and TZM’s momentum
    nut bar

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    Barb
    October 21, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    • No, Peter has no momentum. This is zeitgeist frankfurt event:

      This is Zeitgeist hijacking Occupy frankfurt:

      Clearly, Zeitgeist movement, the flop, is dead, and trying to hijack the occupy wall street momentum. You are the coordinator for the Toronto Zeitgeist, were you one of the nuts on the zeitgeist forums talking about what a great idea it is to kill hundreds of innocent people to help bring about zeitgeist utopia? Are you one of the zeitgeist members who will help form the fairy tale parallel government? lol Are you a zeitgeist nut who believes zeitgeist movie radical conspiracy theories based on jordan maxwell? YOU ARE THE NUT, im just putting a window into zeitgeist movement, so others can see a critical perspective, you on the other hand buy into their quakery.

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      James Kush
      October 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    • The only momentum TZM has had since April has been the momentum towards failure.

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      justintempler
      October 21, 2011 at 5:36 pm

  7. These are the kinds of website’s that hackers should gather up banish! Clearly this is an attempt to destroy the movement, government is not even a term used by the very well described set of ” ideas” presented by the organisation. and let’s be honest to one another and be clear. We must know thy enemy and his intentions, and counter it with brute force as they do, truth alone is not enough.

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    Anonymous
    October 21, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    • mmm yeah buddy, he said zeitgeist movement advocates a parallel government, watch the video.

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      James Kush
      October 22, 2011 at 2:45 am

      • You say parallel government as if you very well educated about what that even means. We have a corrupt government NOW.. do you honestly see a future in this society we live in. capitolism is primitive. We need to move forward with life. There is so much human have not accomplished.. yet we can’t find jobs for them?.. hmm…

        I condemn ever person who puts down this movement as IGNORANT. Jac Fresco is genius.. and everyone who thinks otherwise is mindless piece of junk taking up space. Try doing research on what this movement is really about instead of listening to what other people say about it. I hope the zeitgeist movement takes over the world!

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        Anonymous
        November 23, 2011 at 2:39 am

      • “capitolism”? Is that where we all work in the capitol city of said country/state?

        Anyways, you drank too much Kool-Aid. Zeitardopialand isn’t the only proposed economic system on the table, infact it’s just a technocratic rip-off of the end stage of communism. Either way, you jack off to magic robots.

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        internetjimjesus
        November 23, 2011 at 7:11 am

      • “you jack off to magic robots.” No I want to kill you because you’re not a member of TZM remember?

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        Anonymous
        December 19, 2011 at 11:41 pm

  8. These are the kinds of website’s that hackers should gather up banish! Clearly this is an attempt to destroy the movement, government is not even a term used by the very well described set of ” ideas” presented by the organisation. and let’s be honest to one another and be clear. We must know thy enemy and his intentions, and counter it with brute force as they do, truth alone is not enough.

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    Eric
    October 21, 2011 at 11:49 pm

  9. ::munches popcorn::

    AWE FUCK I CHIPPED A TOOTH!

    I should have continued drinking kool aid.

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    Observer
    October 22, 2011 at 6:52 am

  10. Maybe it’s just me, maybe.. but I caught something, when I was looking at the Parallel Government facebook page, I caught a correlation:

    http://www.facebook.com/tzmglobal/posts/226723830722642

    “Um . . .why am I the only one to…”

    VOR talks the same way when you look at his own posts and comments, here’s an example:

    http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=QpZBjhpDtEg

    “Um… what does citing my sources have to do with clarifying my position?”

    Um..

    If VOR is running that facebook page, then TZM is only ruining themselves for allowing a racist pathological liar run pages like this, you know, like how he does with “ZeitgeistResponds”.

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    Mario Brotha
    October 22, 2011 at 10:07 pm

  11. Esiest way to check is to get the email used on it and then login with elite245 as the password LOL

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    anticultist
    October 23, 2011 at 11:22 am

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  13. we need a free energy movement like the tea party that focus on zero point energy and cold fusion technologies.

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    Macarthur Louissaint
    November 5, 2011 at 6:24 pm

  14. before you all get on zeitgeist because you don’t recognize it, its something new and react to it like any prejudice does, learn about it first, you may find they are your biggest friends. I’ve been following the zeitgeist movement for years. while the occupy movement has force, momentum and power to actually do something, it has no answers, no direction, its a mindless mass of action with no solution towards its goal. zeitgeist on the other hand has none of this, but everything you need, an answer, direction, an actual solution to the problem, learn what it is and learn that a situation where anybody from zeitgeist leading anything is impossible for what you both have in common is an idea, it takes no face, no body, but is limitless in its potential

    added note: TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY! complaining about people hijacking the movement. how selfish can any of you be, this is bigger than all of your right nows. this is an actual future for the human race, for our kids, ALL of our kids to enjoy a happy life they choose to live, any life they choose to live

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    Hitori
    November 6, 2011 at 3:55 am

  15. You’re wrong considering resource based economy Peter Josephs or Zeitgeist Government. Its actually something lots of people got confused on.
    Idea of resource based economy is from the Venus project which was cooperating for a short time with TZM but this relationship ended details are in this video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJbRM46tltI&feature=feedu

    Resource based economy was someway abducted too because the main idea was to change the value system of mankind everything else is just a way we could live.
    Zeitgeist movement actually shows corruption of the world.
    The Venus project is about making better future for everyone.

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    Marek
    November 19, 2011 at 7:33 am

    • Zeitgeist is all about praising Peter Joesph, watching his movies 80 million times over and regurgitating tired old party lines. It’s Peter Joesph’s e-peen and not much else.

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      internetjimjesus
      November 20, 2011 at 3:04 am

      • you fucking ignorant.

        Zeitgeist movement actually shows corruption of the world.
        The Venus project is about making better future for everyone.

        that’s the truth.. fucking mindless people talking out of they’r ass and fucking up the world for everybody…. SHAMEFULL

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        Anonymous
        November 23, 2011 at 2:41 am

      • Too bad that:

        1. it will never happen
        2. It will never be taken seriously in Realworldistan if the people promoting it talk like you do.
        3. if it does happen it will suck ass

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        internetjimjesus
        November 23, 2011 at 7:13 am

      • 1. It will never happen because you know everything
        2. It will never be taken seriously by people who don’t know if it is or is not scientifically valid.
        3. Everything to you sucks ass because you hate everything
        4. I hate everything.

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        Anonymous
        December 19, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    • 1. Nope, just more than Zeitards.
      2. It’s not scientifically valid, it’s a utopian leftard wetdream that’s been tried before. Shit don’t work.
      3. I like a lot of things, just happen to hate retarded conspiracy nuts who jerk off to magic robots.
      4. I like lobster. Lobster won’t be available in Zeitardtopia. So I hate Zeitardtopia.

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      internetjimjesus
      December 20, 2011 at 1:17 am

      • 1. What an egotistical statement I know more that anyone I class as a zeit-tard or anyone who seems to project what I deem as zeit-tard logic. It seems you want to be disliked, do you want me to hate you? Would it make you feel good if I started to hate you?
        2. Seriously? You’re saying TZM’s or TVP’s proposal of a GLOBAL RBE has been installed before or are you only talking about pockets? When people go up into space stations or onto the moon do they use those lovely american dollars? Science is “leftard”? lol, if you know the meaning of the word “utopian” then you would know that a “utopian” state is impossible. Are you saying Zeit-tards don’t know the meaning of the word “utopian”.
        3. I don’t think you hate enough, Do you know what the word “conspiracy” means? If you know what the word “conspiracy” means you’ll see that “conspiracy” is everywhere. “Conspiracy” means a secret plot to do something harmful. That whole statement wasn’t really logical it was designed to insult, you want to be hated over the internet. Nice job.
        4. I think it’s a good thing that you HATE. I hate people so I kill them.
        5. Who said “Lobster” won’t be in “Zeitardtopia”
        6. I hate everything and I will kill all life on this planet.

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        Anonymous
        December 20, 2011 at 11:58 pm

      • 1. It’s not egotistical to say I’m smarter than everyone in the special needs class, t’s just a numbers game.
        2. Show me an industrialized society that hasn’t resulted in famines, despair and total chaotic ruin once they tired to remove money. Money is the lynchpin of civilized society. Pull it and everything comes crashing down. Just because you want it on a global scale doesn’t resolve the fundamental problems of a moneyless economy. RBE isn’t science, it’s utopian nonsense with a cloak of scientific literacy. If it’s scientific, show me a test city. Oh right, there is none.
        3. Cool story, bro. Still doesn’t make Zeitards look anymore rational. Just a bunch of conspiracy nuts who embraces Marxism with robots.
        4. Killing people is lame. I just make fun of losers, no need to kill them.
        5. Lobster fishing is scientifically inefficient. Takes a lot of time an energy to catch and cook them, then most of it is inedible. Same with crab.
        6. Typical Zeitard.

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        internetjimjesus
        December 21, 2011 at 10:04 pm

      • 1. “special needs class” Again you want to be hated, how productive.

        2. “civilized society” Hopefully I can get a high paying job so I can suck a fuck tonne of money out of the economy to cause a depression, I’m evil like that. How “civilised” will you be then? Monetary health is not human health, I see every single night on the news the apparent health of the economy but this tells me NOTHING concerning the health and happiness of people. The test city? Well there’s the computer generated model of the city if you’re talking about “the venus project design team.” Of course it’s easier to insult something than to do anything creative. Kill all people for example.

        3. I address “conspiracy nuts” later

        4. “I just make fun of losers” I’m sure you have love in you heart lol.

        5. “Lobster fishing is scientifically inefficient.” if that’s true do you then promote scientifically inefficient methods?

        6. If you believe me.

        Even though TZM is a dead movement (according to critics) you’re obviously still threatened enough for you to bother speaking about TZM. Do you take James Kush’s perspective? Do you think TZM turns people into cold blooded killers for their leader Peter Fresco? If you can provide evidence TZM turns people into nuts and or criminal scum then get mental hospitals and law enforcement agencies onto TZM! There is that evil forum post, have critics managed to get the FBI party van onto TZM yet? (see image)

        http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/hdtdthr.jpg/

        Here’s some examples of common conspiracies in case you think there’s no such thing as conspiracy
        -Some people secretly plan to kill someone.
        -A big cigarette company decides to have a secret meeting about the new propaganda campaign they’re going to launch.
        -A CEO manages to secretly get a whole lot of money out of his corporation before it goes completely bankrupt, leaving him obscenely rich. (Watch the movie Inside Job)

        In other words when transparency is feared, it’s probable that conspiracy is going on. Give me your tax file number! And your credit card details! Give me your identity! What? Don’t you trust me?

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        Anonymous
        December 21, 2011 at 11:53 pm

      • These are all excuses for believing in paranoid nonsense. 9/11 wasn’t an inside job, the fed isn’t trying to chip us, Jesus wasn’t a pagan/astrological parallel and people who believe otherwise usually wear tin foil to make sure the Rockefellers aren’t trying to read their minds.

        Also Inside Job was a shitty movie. Deregulation didn’t cause the depression.

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        internetjimjesus
        January 7, 2012 at 10:24 pm

  16. THERE IS CENSORSHIP BECAUSE YOU FUCKING IDIOTS ARE MISREPRESENTING IT. fucking shameful

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    Anonymous
    November 23, 2011 at 3:03 am

  17. this site is just hilarious

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    John
    December 17, 2011 at 9:51 am

  18. Zeitards actually still exist and post about it ? shit I thought those mud skippers had fallen apart months ago, I can’t believe that there are still people sucking Merola and Fresco off and loving doing it.

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    anticultist
    December 20, 2011 at 9:48 pm

  19. The person who calls them self Anonymous is about as much threat to society as a dose of oxygen, and in the same respect so is TZM/TVP. The fact we are taking the piss out of them and writing about them less and less, the fact we are hearing nothing about them online anywhere from anyone any longer is an indicator that the belief in it was merely a temporary internet fad.

    I only come back to these kind of posts because I have commented on them previously to see what nut jobs have passed through. Look at OWS, that has died and gone away, and Zeitgeist lasted about 5 seconds there before it was rumbled and told to fuck off.

    Sadly for the believers in TZM/TVP who still cling on to its dead corpse they are the remnants of what was once a small counter culture that had a few intersting people in it when it first started off, who were then kicked out of the group because they were smarter than Merola and his moderators. All that remains now though are the dregs of initial influx, a small handful, and the rest are hangers on who joined the party far too late.

    As the Doors said “When the musics over, turn out the lights, turn out the lights, turn out the lights”

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    anticultist
    December 27, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    • “Anonymous is about as much threat to society as a dose of oxygen” If anonymous is that much of a threat then how come that statement would need saying? Do you need to assure yourself that statement is true by typing it and pasting it onto the internet? “temporary internet fad.” That may be true to a certain extent. “to see what nut jobs” Sounds like you like to go to mental hospitals and point and laugh at the mentally sick. Isn’t that mentally sick? Don’t try to figure out “nut jobs” just call them “nut jobs” and be done with it. “told to fuck off.” How nice. “because they were smarter than Merola” Great bedtime story.

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      Anonymous
      December 27, 2011 at 11:47 pm

  20. You are not very good at this, good job I am smart enough to just point and laugh at you and let you spray your shit up on this wall, it will stand here to prove my point at just how useless and retarded zeitgeisters are and were.

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    anticultist
    December 29, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    • “I am smart enough to just point and laugh at you” I’m sure you have love in your heart.

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      Anonymous
      December 30, 2011 at 12:39 am

      • ssssssshhhhhh, you are just flapping your gums for the sake of getting the last word in now, that is typically zeitarded.

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        anticultist
        December 30, 2011 at 7:01 pm

      • “getting the last word” There’s no such thing as getting the last word in. This is the internet in case you didn’t notice, it allows conversation. If it’s not me, someone else will disagree with you when they find out what your character is like. Some people may like people who have no love in their heart who knows!

        I notice how you didn’t really respond to the statement “I’m sure you have love in your heart.” at all. Instead you tried to ignore by saying I should shut up so I suspect I’m on target, considering you also felt the need to attempt to give me a racist label. Why would I obey you? lol

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        Anonymous
        January 3, 2012 at 12:03 am

  21. Point proven^^^^^ Getting the last word in is a psychological failing on the part of human being who wishes to continue throwing insinuations at others. The problem arises in early child hood where the individual is known to have been ignored in adult conversations and this leads them to need to control conversations and end them on their terms. This means they must always resolve conversations so they look like they have come out on top, in their mind the last word means they have always won the debate, irrespective of what is said in the final post. For instance they could insult the person and make up claims about them that are untrue, for example’they could say the other person has been racist, or is unable to love other human beings, or other such generalised fantasy’. Of course any rational reader of the post would realise the game of one-up man-ship that is occurring is nothing short of a persons insecurities, self worth issues and the need for being seen to be correct and more cognitive than the person they are attacking. Interestingly this kind of person also shows a disdain for authority and will rebel against anything that remotely presents itself as a command, request and they will deem it as a personal invasion of their authority and thereby rebel against it so they can regain control of the conversation to their own perceived advantage.

    That about explains what is going on here I think, enjoy your last word.

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    anticultist
    January 3, 2012 at 11:19 am

    • He does have daddy issues and I thought Corbett had the last word on this cult:

      If he read your name, he would know it’s impossible for you to have love in your heart for cults.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 3, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    • “Point proven^^^^^” I could say the same about you, you might want to get the last word in after I post this message. I don’t have control over this conversation at all, you could choose to block everything I post. “they have always won the debate,” I don’t look at it from a win/loose point of view when having conversations, do you? There’s no end to debates therefore there is no win or lose situation. “irrespective of what is said in the final post.” irrespective of the last person who wanted to get the last word in? “has been racist,” calling me “zeitarded.” is not racist? I lol’d, gee you’re not trying to be offensive at all when you call people zeitard, you’re a perfect gentleman. “or is unable to love other human beings,” you’re making assumptions on nothing, plus it doesn’t sound like you care anyway. “remotely presents itself as a command” oh so “ssssssshhhhhh, you’re just flapping your gums” you’re not telling me what to do at all there, or you’re not trying to be intimidating? “enjoy your last word.” enjoyment is for losers.

      “He does have daddy issues” you’re making that up lol, you know almost nothing about me. “it’s impossible for you to have love in your heart for cults.” Well then have fun hating cults. I have fun hating everything.

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      Anonymous
      January 3, 2012 at 11:50 pm

  22. Interesting. err. Discussion.
    I don’t see what the schism is really about though.
    People who wear tinfoil hats for fear of being mind controlled by Peter Joseph strike me as somewhat paranoid though. I mean, have you seen the guy? He’s a small grey bearded academic. And the Zeitgeist addendum movie ends on the note of ‘wake up and start thinking for yourself, be your own guru, etc.’
    Hardly mindcontrol, is it?
    Zeitgeist and Occupy no doubt have lots to offer each other. Too bad some people don’t like cooperation. Who hired you to make sure the Judean People’s Front and the People’s Front of Judea stays at each others throats?
    That’s what I’d personally wear a tinfoil hat for. You guys.

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    The Popular Front
    January 11, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    • “I don’t see what the schism is really about though.”

      Zeitards like to go off topic complaining about criticism instead staying on topic, this is common.

      “People who wear tinfoil hats for fear of being mind controlled by Peter Joseph strike me as somewhat paranoid though.”

      My hat is not made out of tinfoil.

      “I mean, have you seen the guy?”

      Yes, he scares people:

      http://rartee.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/who-is-peter-joseph-i-think-a-pretty-scary-guy

      “He’s a small grey bearded academic.”

      No, he’s an art school dropout.

      “And the Zeitgeist addendum movie ends on the note of ‘wake up and start thinking for yourself, be your own guru, etc.’”

      But before that says join his cult, contradicting, as step number six but was numbered number 5, not very academic I would say.

      “Hardly mindcontrol, is it?”

      Close, with the sad hypnotic induction music technique and depressing imagery that tries to make you feel guilty for using money.

      “Zeitgeist and Occupy no doubt have lots to offer each other. Too bad some people don’t like cooperation.”

      I don’t blame them for not wanting to work with a cult with their parallel government idea.

      “Who hired you”

      You sound like a hypocrite.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 11, 2012 at 3:59 pm

      • “Yes, he scares people:” So you’re not scared by say sick social values that deem it okay for big corporations to sell weapons? Instead you’re scared of a person who says “if we don’t work together we’re fucking doomed”.

        “as step number six but was numbered number 5″ Heh I noticed that fuckup too.

        “depressing imagery that tries to make you feel guilty for using money.” So showing photographs of starving children makes you feel guilty? Why should it if the money system is so great?

        “parallel government idea.” parallel government was only an idea that would be a temporary government until the resource-based economy was more up and running. So when it becomes not needed anymore it would be dissolved. The government of a RBE would be a resource tracking system, also we want to know who human behaviour works so we don’t have to write laws.

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        Anonymous
        January 14, 2012 at 12:12 am

        • “Instead you’re scared of a person who says “if we don’t work together we’re fucking doomed”.

          Peter Fresco just wants to recruit more cult members thru collapse porn.

          “So showing photographs of starving children makes you feel guilty?”

          It makes me sad, not guilty for using money. I do what I can. But if people are saying capitalism is failing while pointing to collectivist countries in Africa, then that doesn’t make sense.

          “parallel government was only an idea that would be a temporary government until the resource-based economy was more up and running.”

          It’s an idea based on the assumption that people are suddenly aware of it and want a RBE without doing a test city oppose to people being against it or never heard of it, an idea that he continues to talk about, this wasn’t just an idea he said once and stopped talking about, you say “was” as if he retracted the whole thing.

          “The government of a RBE would be a resource tracking system”

          I think he has to work on the Global Redesign Institute first and check its accuracy, which I don’t think will be strong in, it probably won’t work at all.

          “so we don’t have to write laws.”

          It’s not going to happen unless TZM thinks all crimes are committed because of money.

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          Mario Brotha
          January 14, 2012 at 4:05 am

  23. U deny conspiracy theories but u put ur own up here? Instead of just saying hollow words back up ur claim that he is only in it for the money.

    Charity itself doesn’t solve the problem that cause said situations, just a way to make u feel at ease. I also have never heard anyone say that we should look towards another country that is just as much dealing with many problems that are stated by the movements, remember they also have leaders (current collectivist countries) that ration the technology and use economics as an excuse not to implement the solution.

    Yes a global inventory system that tracks, monitors, and issues the machines when to do things accordingly.

    Actually almost all crime we have today are created because of a monetary system others are created because of a ‘personal shortage of something’ (which are created by a deficiency in how we run our society) . Mutations in genes also have a cause (they didn’t just appear on their gene sequence) that we need to study to make sure said mutagen doesn’t exist or at least extremely unlikely for us to deal with it. If someone wants to live outside of the city, all the same privileges are afforded to u but u do sacrifice the extreme easy access to technology and the social centers located in the city and deal with the elements all for sentimental value and who is to say the said persons kids will not want to go to the city. Laws are an excuse not to figure out what cause said individual or individuals to do said ‘aberrant behavior’. Sorry for the pitiful layout rushed it

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    arcticfish
    January 21, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    • “U deny conspiracy theories but u put ur own up here?”

      Wrong. Repeating what Peter Joseph Merola said doesn’t make it a conspiracy theory.

      “Instead of just saying hollow words back up ur claim that he is only in it for the money.”

      He’s in it more so his ego can continue to be stroked.

      “Charity itself doesn’t solve the problem”

      Well not doing charity is worse.

      “just a way to make u feel at ease.”

      That’s insulting.

      “I also have never heard anyone say that we should look towards another country”

      I thought the thumbnail of Z3 makes that clear.

      “remember they also have leaders”

      TZM does too.

      “that ration”

      I think the same thing will happen in a test city when magical abundance isn’t promised.

      “Yes a global inventory system that”

      It won’t work:

      http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/the-problems-with-venus-projects-resource-survey

      “Actually almost all crime we have today are created because of a monetary system”

      It’s a good thing we have laws in the monetary system then and I wonder if people for TZM would be hypocrites by creating a law or laws saying they can’t use money in their Resource-Based Economy.

      “others are created because of a ‘personal shortage of something”

      Yes rapists, serial killers and child molesters commit crimes due to a personal shortage of something.

      “Mutations in genes also have a cause”

      I don’t think I said anything about mutations.

      “If someone wants to live outside of the city”

      Will still be in the monetary system.

      “not to figure out what cause said individual or individuals to do said ‘aberrant behavior”

      Like no one in the current system tries to figure why people are the way they are today.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 1:23 am

    • Typical conspiracy nutter propaganda. “I DON’T WANT TO LOOK LIKE A NUT SO I’LL BRING EVERYONE DOWN TO MY LEVEL BY CALLING EVERYTHING A CONSPIRACY”

      Not how it works, dude. There’s a world of difference between saying “TZM is a cult of personality for Merola” and “9/11 WUZ AN INSIDE JERB.” One is obvious on the face of it and the other is bat-shit tinfoil paranoia that’s been debunked countless times by those in the skeptic community and is wildly unaccepted by the population at large.

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      internetjimjesus
      January 22, 2012 at 1:57 am

  24. Mario u took almost all of my comments out of contexts and wrote comments based off of little snipets of what many of the actual comment stated.
    TZM doesn’t have leaders they have a communal group working together for a goal. About being a hypocrite yes we all are a hypocrite in different aspects, and in the context of what u stated why would we need a law to stop people from using money it isn’t intended to be initiated fully till it encompasses the world which means no money at a worldly scale but equally distributed to distribution centers in the cities where people can order or pick up the items they need. (yes i also agree the that this will take a very long time to come into being though not because of lack of technology). What i meant about people living outside the city was if they wanted to live outside of the structured cities controlled weather and temperature for sentimental values or just pure dislike of the city. Amish or are slightly similar to what I am talking about here.

    The harder one to debate is the site u gave but as i said previously it has to be at a worldly scale and the keyword is worldly anything less would lead to failure i understand that. That is where that site is coming in (maybe it is talking about that we can’t prove to others that it could work but i won’t cover that) it is saying we can’t do it because they are only looking at part of the whole.
    Yes charity in our society as it is today is a nice effort but it doesn’t solve anything sorry for the way I phrased it earlier. and sorry some parts such as how genes come into the picture were just in my head then.
    Yes some do try to figure out why people do said aberrant behavior but we don’t look at how to deal with said problems (all social problems, city structure/ architecture and much more) through the scientific method and even when we do we burden ourselves by saying we don’t have the money even though we do have the resources. Now even with all of that said even I am a realist and realize that the transition to the RBE is the hardest to predict and make a plan for. And I did make a mistake about calling what u said a conspiracy i read it out of context sorry

    To internetjimjesus: To be honest who cares whether TZM and TVP (yes i know they aren’t working together anymore) are in ur opinion (and yes it is an opinion just like my disagreement is an opinion) cults specifically designed to make the figureheads money of course that denies that the figureheads aren’t the only ones doing anything (also they make less usable income than u may think). and even if it is a sham that idea will live on and maybe brought up by a more civilized society. And neither of us can speak for the population at large because many of them don’t have the privilege or time to debate about this.

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 8:02 am

    • No, it’s false, no matter what approach you take. Logical deduction or empirical evidence shows an RBE is easily falsifiable. Economic calculation problem (a priori) and historical attempts (many are listed in the book Seeing Like A State by Professor James C. Scott and Stefan Molenuex’s response to Peter Joseph Merola) at this failed and ended in degradation, mass starvation, famines, brutal regimes and societies (statist and non-statist alike.) There’s been many 9/11 Truth skeptics that have shown a solid case against 9/11 twoofer distortions and lies from the get go. Same with “astrotheology” as presented in pt. 1 of Zeitgeist by leading atheists in the community and secular scholars.

      As far as the public is concern, it’s a safe bet no one is buying it for the moment or conspiracies. Support for 9/11 truth is at an all time low, The atheist community roundly rejects astrotheology, and people are leaving TZM in droves thanks to the work of the Skeptic Project, James Kush, Mario, FDR, axe863, Anonymous …etc.

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      internetjimjesus
      January 22, 2012 at 8:42 am

    • “Mario u took almost all of my comments out of contexts and wrote comments based off of little snipets of what many of the actual comment stated.”

      My points still stand but lets try this again.

      “TZM doesn’t have leaders they have a communal group working together for a goal.”

      Incorrect, they have a hierarchy that are filled with assholes that will take them in a more shitty direction, for an example, you have Douglas Mallette, the tech head of TZM, where he advocates a test city where he wants military in it when the main argument that the Zeitgeist Movement presented was to say that RBE isn’t communism because it doesn’t advocate military. If you don’t believe me, take a listen:

      “About being a hypocrite yes we all are a hypocrite in different aspects, and in the context of what u stated why would we need a law to stop people from using money it isn’t intended to be initiated fully till it encompasses the world which means no money at a worldly scale but equally distributed to distribution centers in the cities where people can order or pick up the items they need.”

      No money on a worldly scale ? But you said if no one wants to live in a RBE, they are welcome to live outside of it, this me sounds like you can’t escape what’s dictated to you. Even if people were living outside of a RBE, they would still fear using money and being policed by those from a Resource-Based Economy.

      “(yes i also agree the that this will take a very long time to come into being though not because of lack of technology).”

      Thanx for agreeing with reality because a lot of people watched Z3 and think a RBE or a test city is possible from last year’s technology, as a critic, I want to see a test city and not you all to be wasting more money on more films.

      “What i meant about people living outside the city was if they wanted to live outside of the structured cities controlled weather and temperature for sentimental values or just pure dislike of the city.”

      I didn’t know people wanted a RBE because they feared HAARP, if I’m not reading that correctly, then please rephrase.

      “Amish or are slightly similar to what I am talking about here.”

      But from the way you described a RBE, it sounds like they would be in more fear too.

      “The harder one to debate is the site u gave but as i said previously it has to be at a worldly scale and the keyword is worldly anything less would lead to failure i understand that.”

      It would make more sense to me if you do a test city and work on a system that can monitor the test city itself first, one step at a time.

      “That is where that site is coming in (maybe it is talking about that we can’t prove to others that it could work but i won’t cover that) it is saying we can’t do it because they are only looking at part of the whole.”

      You don’t need to conduct a global survey for a test city.

      “Yes charity in our society as it is today is a nice effort but it doesn’t solve anything sorry for the way I phrased it earlier.”

      I’m still offended by that, try saying that in anyway to people that have been saved thru it or better by it.

      “and sorry some parts such as how genes come into the picture were just in my head then.”

      Fine.

      “Yes some do try to figure out why people do said aberrant behavior but we don’t look at how to deal with said problems (all social problems, city structure/ architecture and much more)”

      From now compared to about hundred years ago, I would say there are more programs that are invested into the well being of people. Medicine, therapy, job fairs, etc helps deal with problems and we do have architects who actually do have blueprints today. With the Venus Project, they lack blueprints and just say the words “aberrant behavior” a lot.

      “through the scientific method and even when we do we burden ourselves by saying we don’t have the money even though we do have the resources.”

      I like the scientific method, probably more than TZM, because I would like to see a test city instead of people for the Zeitgeist Movement assuming what they are bringing to the table will actually work and not cause global starvation and if you’re thinking about the transition, you will need money still to buy the resources, wasting money to donate to films when you think the world is becoming more scarce on resources is idiotic.

      “Now even with all of that said even I am a realist and realize that the transition to the RBE is the hardest to predict and make a plan for.”

      Okay.

      “And I did make a mistake about calling what u said a conspiracy i read it out of context sorry”

      Apology accepted.

      Reply
      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 3:05 pm

  25. What do u base people leaving TZM or VP on because that is one thing u will have a hard time showing to me because from what i hear many people join it or just stay on the fence and there are also many who don’t even know of it yet. I don’t care about zeitgeist movie 1 it was simply to get u thinking believing in 9/11 was an inside job has no true link to TZM or VP and it is just a convenient way for some to try to slander the name.
    Most things are falsifiable but that proves nothing and logical deduction and the like are highly swayed by ones stereotypes. None of what is actually TZM or VP has been tried at the scale it needs and if u read my previous comment i said global. Now i do realize that the start will be a city of like minded people that start it and organize it, but at that I do realize we lack the personal resources so will have to gather up enough money to make sure we can start it. The difference is it isn’t meant to stay in one little area but gather more people and start expanding (which is the hardest part of all) and when it gets to a big enough point we can start the intended RBE. The actual RBE itself if u understand it intends to be global bashing it at the point it is only a smart part of a whole is meaningless.

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    • The fact that their Media Festival was a bust, the “I Advocate” videos are almost at a dead standstill as far as new ones. And I get messages regularly from Zeitgeisters who told me they joined and left and explaining why. I only knew about TZM because when I moved back to California a bunch of my friends were all about it. I converted 1 out of the 6 or so I knew the others just left on their own for various reasons. Not to mention most people who “joined” the Zeitgeist movement did it and forgot about it or stoped caring.

      Z-Day 2012 will also be a bust.

      RIP The Zeitgeist Movement
      2008-2011

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      internetjimjesus
      January 23, 2012 at 3:05 am

  26. had lag sorry for that double post
    this is in response to Mario about the hierarchy.
    If it does go down like some (overzealous members) want it will most likely fail but i won’t back down from my idea because the idea itself is what i agree with. I don’t even agree with everything they say and make my own opinions based off of it heck my idea for the city design and world design is slightly different from what Jacque Fresco says but that doesn’t discourage me.

    Reply
    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    • That’s fine but let me respond to what you said above that.

      They went from 500,000 people to the likes they have on their facebook now, that’s a dramatic drop to me, but even if you believed the numbers they gave, if you go on their homepage, it doesn’t say 500,000 people, and you got the head salsa dancer of the Zeitgeist Movement [international coordinator of TZM who is also in the hierarchy] lying saying there is more than 500,000 people, the dishonesty is your in face. Peter Joseph Merola admitted on his forums, when it was up, that the first Zeitgeist film was a recruitment tool for the Zeitgeist Movement, he makes the relationship between the two clear. No one needs to slander. If something doesn’t work on a small scale, then trying it on a global scale is the definition of insanity, lets look for that Albert Einstein quote.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 3:34 pm

  27. i now realized i didn’t fully comment (ones i considered important) on some of the points raised in ur previous comment.
    Most (key word) things that we call scarce are that way because of simply wanting to make a buck or need to because the family didn’t have much of a choice. With proper planning of those resources and doing away with useless things like cars, aeroplanes, wars, papers and the like.
    Now about people living in fear this actually makes me laugh because I see no reason why people would fear living in the city u have almost everything u need in the city (distribution centers, numerous social centers where u can do social activities obviously, houses with; work-out rooms, hospitals, computer and many other things already in them) and if u want u can go out and explore the wilderness on a bike, barefoot or one of the numerous taxi-like automated cars roaming around the city or go on a mag-lev or train system similar to go to any place in the world.
    If for some unforeseen reason u want to make ur own city with a monetary system just to spite the people in the cities or to prove ur point go ahead and who knows maybe that would make the cycle repeat again.

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    • “i now realized i didn’t fully comment (ones i considered important) on some of the points raised in ur previous comment.”

      I do the same.

      “Most (key word) things that we call scarce are that way because of simply wanting to make a buck or need to because the family didn’t have much of a choice.”

      That’s how supply and demand works, what there is scarce cost more, what there’s more of, cost less.

      “With proper planning of those resources and doing away with useless things like cars, aeroplanes, wars, papers and the like.”

      I think it’s funny how the Zeitgeist Movement praises the Wright Brothers and then say airplanes are useless lol. From what you say, I can’t tell if you like cars are not, cars today do go on cruise control you know and seem to be getting more automated today. Besides, imagine how fast cars would break down, the taxi ones you’re referring to, if they were used by different people everyday all the time, where your own vehicle will last longer because you don’t use it as much, you can bet those taxi ones will break down faster, all you have to do is ask a taxi driver and he’ll tell you the same thing:

      http://bit.ly/yg1tn9

      “Now about people living in fear this actually makes me laugh because I see no reason why people would fear living in the city u have almost everything u need in the city (distribution centers, numerous social centers where u can do social activities obviously, houses with; work-out rooms, hospitals, computer and many other things already in them) and if u want u can go out and explore the wilderness on a bike, barefoot or one of the numerous taxi-like automated cars roaming around the city or go on a mag-lev or train system similar to go to any place in the world.”

      I’m sure people in New Harmony, Indiana made the same utopia promises, but it failed, so when people think history is repeating itself, they will fear the RBE because of that.

      “If for some unforeseen reason u want to make ur own city with a monetary system just to spite the people in the cities or to prove ur point go ahead and who knows maybe that would make the cycle repeat again.”

      People will just stay in the monetary system, they won’t make another city. You say that you’re against war but there’s always that inevitable conflict waiting to happen because people choose not live in Resource-Based Economy.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    • “Now about people living in fear this actually makes me laugh because I see no reason why people would fear living in the city u have almost everything u need in the city (distribution centers, numerous social centers where u can do social activities obviously, houses with; work-out rooms, hospitals, computer and many other things already in them) and if u want u can go out and explore the wilderness on a bike, barefoot or one of the numerous taxi-like automated cars roaming around the city or go on a mag-lev or train system similar to go to any place in the world.”

      -i for one would be afraid to live in such a place and i’m sure most people would too. just thinking about it gives me the creeps. distribution centers? a few years ago our country experienced a rice shortage and we had to fall in line to buy some very expensive rice and there was a limit on the amount that we were allowed to buy. it’s really no laughing matter but it’s good that you have not experienced it and can laugh about it. nobody deserves to experience something like that, even if you’re an ignorant zeitgeist cult follower.

      i’ve also been to our neighboring countries; hong kong, thailand, vietnam. these countries will never allow your techno-utopia to gain a foothold in their lands. these are countries rich in culture and tradition. i’m sure zeitgeist cultists who are very culturally insensitive would say that these cultures and traditions are barbaric and obsolete but these cultures and traditions are the identity of the people and they will fight anyone that tries to take it away from them. thailand for one has never been conquered in it’s entire history. it will take more than some internet/movie cult to bring these people down.

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      Ian
      January 23, 2012 at 2:18 pm

  28. Now I have to respond to ur previous comment lol.

    Who says facebook is used by all?
    Claiming facebook likes as all they base their movement is laughable and if u read in the context of the sentence when he says it he doesn’t say we have more than 500,000 facebook likes so in that sense you cannot say he was lying (im not debating it is the truth or not because i can’t say for certain how many actual supporters TZM and VP combined have .)
    The quote on if something fails small it would be stupid to try it big scale i agree to an extent but it doesn’t fail yet no matter how much many try and remember small scale when it comes to VP and TZM can’t even be debated because it is meant to be global scale. VP or TZM aren’t destroyed yet because it hasn’t been tried yet (even if u think it has they are only small parts of what VP and TZM intend) VP already does intend to start the trek towards the first city if i remember right the path is a movie, theme park and then the first test city and i also know a few zealots are already working on a city as well. On the same breath “Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex… It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.” Einststein quote and the second part speaks volumes but like all it can be interpreted and even misinterpreted from what the person who said it meant. That also isn’t the only one that I see that supports my view. Insanity is also very opinionated and it is different for each of us.

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    • “Who says facebook is used by all?”

      I doubt the majority, which is missing from the 500,000 people, is active at all.

      “Claiming facebook likes as all they base their movement is laughable and if u read in the context of the sentence when he says it he doesn’t say we have more than 500,000 facebook likes so in that sense you cannot say he was lying”

      I was referring to people, and yes, he’s lying, he has global admin access and it says on the homepage there’s less than 500,000 people, but if you don’t think he’s lying, then you have to admit he’s extremely stupid then.

      “(im not debating it is the truth or not because i can’t say for certain how many actual supporters TZM and VP combined have .)”

      What’s combined is irrelevant, they are divorced from each other.

      “The quote on if something fails small it would be stupid to try it big scale i agree to an extent but it doesn’t fail yet no matter how much many try and remember small scale when it comes to VP and TZM can’t even be debated because it is meant to be global scale.”

      Okay if a test city fails trying to show a Resource-Based Economy specifically works, then you can try to do another test city based on a Resource-Based Economy and be insane if you’re not convinced a RBE will work.

      “VP or TZM aren’t destroyed yet because it hasn’t been tried yet (even if u think it has they are only small parts of what VP and TZM intend) VP already does intend to start the trek towards the first city if i remember right the path is a movie, theme park and then the first test city and i also know a few zealots are already working on a city as well.”

      Another movie and theme park lol.

      “On the same breath “Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex… It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.” Einststein quote and the second part speaks volumes but like all it can be interpreted and even misinterpreted from what the person who said it meant. That also isn’t the only one that I see that supports my view.”

      The quote in context:

      http://quoteworld.org/quotes/4168

      Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph Merola are intelligent fools without that touch of genius.

      “Insanity is also very opinionated and it is different for each of us.”

      Moneyless societies causes mass starvation, so when people promote RBE, I look at the idea as insane.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 4:51 pm

  29. About the wright brothers and aeroplanes it was an invention just like the H-Bomb and the like that impacted the world at a grand scale but as things are it has become useless. About the taxi cars that was just for out of the city or in the wilderness travel for inner city travel the city wouldn’t be dispersed like it is today but rather circular so all are close to the social centers and such and maybe a conveyor belt or moving walkway of sorts for inner-city travel as well.
    Wars it is possible but i don’t see a reason no one is trying to gain the others resources (unlike today it would already be given to them) maybe cold war like who knows but that is just an opinion.
    Okay i will talk in terms of the transition which of course is the way u are basing ur words off of. This is as i stated where the true challenge comes and who says there will always be people who want to live in a monetary (im not saying there won’t be) system for sentimental value and can u speak for the next generations we have this system quite ingrained in us so I am not denying that it will be hard to get over this and maybe one overzealous peep will ruin it who knows but as i said it doesn’t remove the ideas that i and many others have gained and could pass on to our next generation. Of course that overzealous person could also ruin 100% and inadvertently make it so TZM and VP’s idea is so bashed by trying to put into place before its time that it can never be and we will be stuck in the monetary system till we use our resources more than can come back.

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    • “About the wright brothers and aeroplanes it was an invention just like the H-Bomb and the like that impacted the world at a grand scale but as things are it has become useless.”

      Yes war is bad.

      “About the taxi cars that was just for out of the city or in the wilderness travel for inner city travel the city wouldn’t be dispersed like it is today but rather circular so all are close to the social centers and such and maybe a conveyor belt or moving walkway of sorts for inner-city travel as well.”

      It doesn’t matter, cars will break down faster if they are used all the time everyday.

      “Wars it is possible but i don’t see a reason no one is trying to gain the others resources (unlike today it would already be given to them) maybe cold war like who knows but that is just an opinion.”

      If a RBE city lacks resources, then they will go to other territory causing conflict looking for resources that don’t have in their own Resource-Based Economy, war seems inevitable.

      “Okay i will talk in terms of the transition which of course is the way u are basing ur words off of. This is as i stated where the true challenge comes and who says there will always be people who want to live in a monetary (im not saying there won’t be) system for sentimental value and can u speak for the next generations we have this system quite ingrained in us so I am not denying that it will be hard to get over this and maybe one overzealous peep will ruin it who knows but as i said it doesn’t remove the ideas that i and many others have gained and could pass on to our next generation.”

      History has already repeated itself with moneyless societies.

      “Of course that overzealous person could also ruin 100% and inadvertently make it so TZM and VP’s idea is so bashed by trying to put into place before its time that it can never be and we will be stuck in the monetary system till we use our resources more than can come back.”

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      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 5:14 pm

  30. TZM and VP may not be working together but the real supporters now they really aren’t any different so i take both combined.
    Moneyless societies without the full use of technology cause starvation
    TZM and VP Having facebook pages doesn’t mean all supporters use facebook

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    • “TZM and VP may not be working together but the real supporters now they really aren’t any different so i take both combined.”

      People can be subscribed to something, but it doesn’t mean they are as active in any sense as the people are on facebook, people can just subscribe to just to see what’s going on, as you said, sitting on the fence, it doesn’t make them active supporters and I can’t tell what’s going with the Venus Project as they don’t have statistics for me to look at to see how many people actually support them independently.

      “Moneyless societies without the full use of technology cause starvation”

      Like I said, when people realize magical abundance won’t happen, the same results will occur.

      “TZM and VP Having facebook pages doesn’t mean all supporters use facebook”

      I still think people are leaving TZM.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 5:21 pm

  31. dang a correction to what i wrote previously
    Moneyless societies without the full use of technology cause starvation (though not cause more like have the cause is much different.)

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    • “Moneyless societies without the full use of technology cause starvation”

      Technology is always updated, you can never get the full use of technology unless technology itself stops and if test city after test city fails, this will be tired excuse for the Resource-Based Economy failure.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 5:25 pm

  32. About the cars breaking down who says there aren’t repair places where the “cars” go in for check up after uses.
    Remember watch ur vid u will see the answer to ur question about wars with things like substitutes.
    Also i already knew we aren’t really at a lack of resources but with the way things are now and how we run our current society it puts profit on a pedestal and environment and people come after. But as I can see our debate will be circular and i think we both are at least in this area pretty stubborn and extending the debate here will probably solve nothing. This just means I will only comment if I see something i extremely disagree with.

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    • “About the cars breaking down who says there aren’t repair places where the “cars” go in for check up after uses.”

      There will be more repairs in a RBE then the current system we live in now, a Resource-Based Economy with the way vehicles would be treated will be inefficient if every car is a taxi car.

      “Remember watch ur vid u will see the answer to ur question about wars with things like substitutes.”

      I didn’t ask a question.

      “Also i already knew we aren’t really at a lack of resources but with the way things are now and how we run our current society it puts profit on a pedestal and environment and people come after.”

      If we’re not running of resources as you think, then it makes it hard for people to profit from scarcity and means this system does care about people if people always continue to find more resources for those who need them.

      “But as I can see our debate will be circular and i think we both are at least in this area pretty stubborn and extending the debate here will probably solve nothing. This just means I will only comment if I see something i extremely disagree with.”

      There’s not much to extend from and I’m not stubborn, do a test city and prove me wrong, if you make up excuses for not doing one and want a RBE to be global, then we will go in circles.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 5:41 pm

  33. i never said technology wouldn’t be made with updates in mind sorry for saying full use ill correct and state what I mean \a maximized use of technology to the best our abilities without burdening ourselves with whether we have the money but rather the resources to do what we deem crucial with the environment and people as the main importance and also making technology with updates in mind

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 5:44 pm

  34. taxi car was just the best way I could term it not meaning it isn’t a top quality automated craft maybe a hover car of sorts.

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    • I think technology [not only to the taxi car example] over used by everyone and anytime [24/7] will break down faster if you don’t think people should be able to own their own property.

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      Mario Brotha
      January 22, 2012 at 6:03 pm

  35. it is technology meant to be used ( and of course there is actually a lot less things we need than many may think but i don’t see a reason for overuse there are bikes, u have legs, mag-lev trains not just that taxi car). Also the social centers in the city do many different things in a social atmosphere (i know not associated with ur comment but i felt like saying it. There would be no point for ownership (though there are somethings that are already made into ur house, computers and etc) and of course there are robots/ machines designed to fix these and check up on them.
    This is one of the best post of what the transition would be like.
    http://blog.thezeitgeistmovement.com/blog/icavot/possible-requirements-transition-rbe
    not really important but something i saw i had on my bookmarks from a little while back.

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    arcticfish
    January 22, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    • also i will include some of these machines will also self repair to an extent.

      Reply
      arcticfish
      January 22, 2012 at 6:34 pm

      • I LOL when I read arctic fishes wishful posts about a possible future:

        Talking a bout machines that repair themselves and no money or ownership and village centres with computers in them that run the world, seriously man grow up.

        You sound like a carbon copy of all the retarded zeitgeisters that have come before you over the last few years, and everyone of them is a failure and has gotten nowhere talking about their dream future world.

        Do something good for people now if you are so concerned with the way the world is ran, instead of trying to convince people what the world might be like in the future if we all just believe.

        This kind of talk is like school kid shit, proper childish.

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        anticultist
        January 22, 2012 at 6:56 pm

      • Lol u do realize that the items that I have brought up are already quite well developed just not put into the scale with which VP an TZM ask for. Other technologies that aren’t developed but are in the works will just help me in my views
        My dream future world would include instant transportation to anywhere (which no one really knows too well if this will ever be.) Ability to time travel to the past and future (1 part is impossible with our current knowledge) and that is just a little bit.
        What makes u think I don’t do anything trying to correct the way the world is ran my personal resources are limited but I am trying to and to me modern ways of dealing with it are just a disgrace and of course what u consider good for people is ur opinion and Im sure mine is different.

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        arcticfish
        January 22, 2012 at 8:06 pm

      • my future dream world would consist of things that are as far as we know just speculated to be possible and these are not the things I have posted they are all doable with our current technology its just they haven’t been used at such a scale.

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        arcticfish
        January 22, 2012 at 8:10 pm

      • also I’m sure what we consider helping people differently.

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        arcticfish
        January 22, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      • “Ability to time travel to the past and future”

        hahahah!!!

        it’s obvious that you are in no position to help anyone. you got to go see a doctor.

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        Ian
        January 22, 2012 at 10:55 pm

      • obviously Ian u didn’t fully read in what context i put that sentence

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        arcticfish
        January 23, 2012 at 12:13 am

      • and i had wrote the ones after the third reply after I thought it wasn’t posted so that was a mistake on my part

        Reply
        arcticfish
        January 23, 2012 at 12:18 am

      • it doesn’t take “a touch of genius” to figure out that you care more about your self-repairing machines in your dream world than real people in the real world.

        Reply
        Ian
        January 23, 2012 at 12:44 pm

      • I’m going to invent a battery operated battery installer! Install batteries nevermore with the battery operated battery installer.

        “How do you get the batteries in there in the first place?”

        “Ahh, fuck!”

        Reply
        internetjimjesus
        January 23, 2012 at 7:08 pm

  36. ok I have come to an official personal decision. I have stated most of what I have wanted to say of course some will be misinterpreted. Sadly I can not predict what the future holds. (I wouldn’t be too surprised if some TZM or VP supporters that are a little overzealous might go over board and try to implement the plan before fully prepping for it and make the name of TZM and VP stained beyond). Many possible scenarios are possible though that won’t hinder the idea that is behind TZM and VP from growing (the reverse is true as well which of course leaves another scenario for the near-distant future).
    So my only answer as it has always been only time will tell (of course that doesn’t stop me and other supporters to try our best to try to put the plans in action or at least the see because the reality is I will probably be dead before we even start to see any big process in this movement or in peoples mindsets.) I also sadly have to admit that it took a long time to get this way (people’s mindsets i mean) and will take a long time to change (though of course this doesn’t change that we have the ability to start to change this now. The decision I have come up with is I will come back when either a big breakthrough towards it or when a failure (don’t worry i can accept being wrong if I am) towards the it. Of course for me a failure of this movement would be flat-out destruction of the idea or to the point where I can say our technology that we keep coming up with stagnates and we end up have a near zero-growth in our technological advancements.) Have fun convincing others like me. Of course the truth is the main people that can be convinced are the ones on the fence.

    Reply
    arcticfish
    January 23, 2012 at 1:47 am

    • “Of course the truth is the main people that can be convinced are the ones on the fence.”

      I totally agree. TZM had it’s day in the sun and people were simply unswayed by the arguments and solutions presented by TVP/TZM. That’s why their presidential candidate Scott Keller isn’t even on the radar but this guy is:

      Reply
      internetjimjesus
      January 23, 2012 at 3:10 am

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