A Brief History of the WSPUS
Most of the founders of the WSPUS were auto factory workers and members of the Socialist Party of America (SPA). Others were members of the Socialist Party of Canada (SPC) or Socialist Party of Great Britain (SPGB) who had left their counties to avoid conscription for World War One. Encouraged by the rapid growth of the SPC and disgusted with what they felt was a growing reformism in the SPA, they left the Detroit Local of the SPA en masse and formed the WSPUS on July 7, 1916 with 42 members.
according to the about page here: http://wspus.org/about-us/a-brief-history-of-the-wspus/
Written early last year, HERE IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT (original article here: http://wspus.org/2010/02/zeitgeist-the-machine-inside-the-ghost/) written By SPGB:
Enthusiasm continues apace for the online movie-cum-movement phenomenon Zeitgeist, with its articulate, clean-cut and photogenic presenter Peter Joseph touring even harder than Bob Dylan, it seems, to bring word to the world about the ‘resource-based economy’ idea which sounds so new to everyone else and so uncannily like socialism to us. Socialists should applaud and encourage the efforts of Peter Joseph and Zeitgeist activists everywhere to popularise the ideas of non-market production for use, especially because anti-socialists everywhere will do their best to discredit them with any damn-fool argument they can think of.
That’s not to say that there aren’t issues of disagreement, of course. There is a strange emphasis on the technological aspects of the case for a post-capitalist future and proportionally little to say on the role of human activity and decision-making. It’s clear from recent lectures by Peter Joseph (‘Where are we now?’ et al, 2009, YouTube), that far from being merely a matter of emphasis, this bespeaks a quite different perspective on history:
“I think it is safe to say … Technology is the fundamental catalyst for progress and change. It is by far the primary factor driving the development of human civilisation not only in the facilitation of achieving specific ends but also in the more subtle manifestation of our belief systems, philosophy, frames of reference and how we interpret the world around us.
It is not safe to say any such thing. If technology was the fundamental catalyst for change then Ancient Greece would have had steam locomotives and China would have ruled the world since the Renaissance. The problem for the ‘technologist’ is to explain why these things didn’t happen.
Socialists are materialists, and materialists look at history as a process of general underlying ‘tectonic’ shifts in material conditions which give rise to often drastic changes, growths or collapses of superstructures built on them, for example, political, social, cultural and technological outgrowths. In this view, technology doesn’t determine change but is both determined by and proactive on underlying material conditions.
In giving technology this unique driving power, Zeitgeist risks overlooking other motors of history, not least the importance of human organisation itself. “Everything in regard to social organisation is a technical process” says Peter Joseph, adding for emphasis: “Society is a technical creation. Science and tech is the overarching element that governs the entire mechanism of social organisation.” From this the conclusion automatically follows that “Those who study those attributes should be given, not control, but the forefront of participation.”
He pours scorn on those ‘paranoid’ types who would fear abuse of power by this implied class of technocrats, asking “What would be their incentive?” Well, who knows? What would be the incentive for crime? We don’t know that either, but that’s not to offer a cast-iron guarantee that there wouldn’t be any. Given the Zeitgeist apparent indifference to human self-determination as a key factor in society and given also a hundred centuries of brutal oppression by power-mad elites who monopolised knowledge among other things, is it really so unreasonable to feel disquiet over this? While the technicians are minding the machines, who’s minding the technicians?
The emphasis on technology develops into a more serious problem however, and one that needs addressing now. Zeitgeist argues that capitalism is opposed to technological progress, hence the need to abolish it. To take one example, Peter Joseph uncritically repeats the claims of the popular film Who Killed the Electric Car?(2006). This film argues that in the 1990s there was a huge potential American market for electric vehicles (EVs) but that the carmakers and government-backed oil industry deliberately sabotaged it. The problem with the film is that it is the arguments of General Motors (GM), not the pro-EV lobby, which are being borne out by events. Market demand, production costs, technology and the supplies and fuelling infrastructure really were not viable in 1996, and we know that because they are still not ready today (see for instance ‘Drivers resist the electric switch’, Guardian, 16 January). Even as the dust settles over the electric car ‘scandal’ there is a raft of new EV products on the market from GM competitors and from GM itself. Even if GM really were as dumb and parochial as the conspiracy-buffs like to think, the Japanese and the Indians certainly weren’t. The market is maturing. Capitalism is working in just the way that Zeitgeist says that it can’t. It’s changing.
All that’s a matter for capitalism and car nuts, and of no interest to socialists. But they are of huge interest to Zeitgeist, appearing as they do to back up the central argument that capitalism relies on inefficiency and outmoded technology.
This proposition is so demonstrably wrong as scarcely to be worth spelling out. Incredibly, Peter Joseph implies that capitalism will never find a cure for cancer because it will undermine cancer industry profits, and ditto for cheap solar panelling and the power industry. Logically, if capitalism was so anti-progress there would never have been any technology in the first place, nor any industrial revolution. To attack its ‘inability’ to promote technology is to attack it not at its weakest but at its strongest point. Alarmingly, Zeitgeist is choosing precisely the worst ground for its battle-line.
In fact, capitalism has cured or eradicated plague, typhus, syphilis, cholera, polio and smallpox, regardless of the money already being made in treating those diseases. It abolished steam power, horse power and gas light despite its huge investment in those infrastructures. Its achievements cannot and should not be denied unless one wants to look ridiculous. Indeed its greatest achievement is its potential undoing: it has embraced technological progress so successfully that productive processes now make it entirely feasible to move beyond capitalism altogether.
Workers need to know their enemy, not underestimate or misunderstand its methods. Most of the problems humans have are not caused by lack of technology, but lack of equal access to resources. Millions die because they can’t afford food or clean water or basic cheap medicines. War, violence and oppression are not technological problems, they exist because there are power elites who get their power from private property we humans should not allow anyone to own in the first place. These are the real weaknesses of capitalism, the ones which will not go away, the ones Zeitgeist really ought to be attacking instead of, like EV-nuts, bewailing its ‘failure’ to deliver the latest tech.
It’s possible that Zeitgeist are reluctant to confront the reality of ruling class power, in case the merest hint of conflict causes the enthusiasm to evaporate and the followers to melt away. But we’re not making the class war up, and we can’t wish it away: “There’s class warfare, all right,” Mr. (Warren) Buffett said, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning” (New York Times, 26 November, 2006). Tiananmen Square students innocently thought they could win freedom by pushing flowers into gun barrels. In their zeal to promote a vision of a happy-tech cyber-future, the Venus visionaries are tip-toeing on a dangerous edge. In replacing class struggle with a faith in machines, Zeitgeist has created a spectre which will return to haunt them.

Peter Joseph Follower: Worshiping Robot

More debunking of James Kush
http://forum.v-radio.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=154&sid=dda92c5c1bd9d712631e10420dd343d6
And another
http://forum.v-radio.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=154&sid=dda92c5c1bd9d712631e10420dd343d6
more here: http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/james-kush-fan-club/
Worth noting that VTV edited our messages. VTV’s not exactly the honest of individuals.
VTV is so disconnected from the real world, that the only thing that he is qualified to debunk is his fantasies in LARPland.
That looks like DarkDancer bowing down lol.
Zeit-tards claim it to be “scientific democracy”
http://zeitgeistmediaproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2149&catid=5:visualmedia&Itemid=2
I had to laugh at the fact that even the Socialists are forced to take the side of Capitalism when it comes to Zeitgeist.
But to the Zeitgeist Fan, everything Peter Joseph Merola says is infallible and the word of god.
James Kush and Co, take note
http://www.youtube.com/user/Elmo2AllofUs#p/a/f/1/kdz2XsYl_L8
I am openly against the Zeitgeist cult, my intentions are clear, to expose the inner workings and psychology of the cult. If this blog tried to act like an official TZM log to discredit TZM, id agree i was trolling, but as it stands, this sight makes it clear on the heading it is opposed to the zm.
Wait you haven’t really exposed anything, you just kinda try to character assassinate. You haven’t argued the RBE nor proven that zeitgeist is any sort of cult. There’s no money scam, no family separation, no worship or sacrifice, where exactly is the cult attribute?
Much of Zeitgeists inner workings have been exposed here and other places as the result of efforts of many people sharing information. We have listened in and archived their teamspeak chats, their forums, their facebook pages, and other communications. Much of this information has been “exposed” on blogs, forums, and youtube channels across the web. People cannot go back and see all the hidden data that Peter Joseph and his followers have tried (and still do try) to delete. For example, the hidden radio interview between VTV and Douglas Mallette talking about killing people with out due process to protect a resource based economy in Africa. Or the long thread of Zeitgeist coordinators talking about killing innocent people to fulfill Peter Josephs vision of the future. We have also preserved the many facebook comments of Zeitgeist Members celebrating the death of a 9 year old child for bring media exposure to the movie “zeitgeist” when Jared Laughner went on a Zeitgeist fueled murder rampage. So you can call that character assassinate but I call it preserving the truth.
My goal is not really to discredit RBE, I could, but it’s not my goal. The fact is, many different people support a RBE, I don’t, but others do. I have taken economic courses and there is nothing wrong with discussing experimental social economic model. However, Zeitgeist is doing nothing other than destroy any credibility of RBE by associating with it. If people really cared about RBE, they would steer clear of the cult of Peter Joseph and his new age conspiracy cult movies and stick to promoting economic understandings. Instead Zeitgeist Members are in the science religion called Zeitgeist Movement, a fringe cult following of one man their GOD Peter J.
The money scam has taken place. Peter Joseph has created a pyramid scheme movie distribution program where zombie drones fork over their own money to feature his conspiracy movies. He then collects all profits from them or allocates the profits for them.
So you call it a “movie distribution pyramid scheme, where everybody pays for Peter Josephs films to be broadcast and send him the profits”.
As far as me not exposing anything, I can assure you, my damage checklist has been fulfilled. Even Dr Mario, stopped blogging about the cult long ago. The critics have been laughing at the Zeitgeist the whole time, we are always on offense, and we never have to defend ourselves, we always win. My goal is not to convert hardcore members from being a zombie drones of Peter, I care less.
1. Peter Joseph Merola collects money for his forth film without transparency:
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/torrents.html
2. The Venus Project wants everyone in their summer camps while Jacque Fresco says parents don’t know how to raise their children when he has been proven to be a shitty dad himself, no one should send their children near him, all you got to do is look at his children and see how they ended up:
I brought this up when TZM and TVP were together and people just made retarded excuses and ask again where was the family separation attribute. I guess you can argue since the cult divorce, TZM no longer share that view, but you’ll be surprised how many Zeitards still defend Jacque Fresco no matter what stupid shit he says even today.
3. TZM worships magical robots and believe in magical abundance, but shit, I have no problem with them doing a test city, but RBE is just SCIFI to me, just look at the picture above.
The attributes are there. The ongoing denial of our points just continues to convince me personally that TZM is a cult. Luckily only online.
Why do you keep censoring me?