Douglas Mallette is most famous for his beliefs that complete groups of people must die if they disrupt a Zeitgeist Resource Based Economy “food production facility”. Now he is traveling the world posing as a NASA ENGINEER with Zeitgeist Members promoting him as an expert and a Swedish Municipal Project called “World Class 2015″ paying for his transportation from florida and stay in Sweden.
Here is a Zeitgeist Movie Member promoting Mallette:
Here we have the so-called space expert Mallette wondering what facts and info Yugoslavia space program engineers have to bring to the table:
But his trip was interrupted by the Swedish media who exposed his fake credentials:
World-Class 2015 marketed online that Mallette was a NASA engineer.
The idea is that Mallette would give to lectures in schools, public and business community during the week.
But there is a big problem. Mallette has never worked for NASA.
http://allehanda.se/start/ornskoldsvik/1.4284255-ifragasatt-talare-flygs-hit-for-skattepengar
To make matters more embarrassing for Mallette, he was scheduled to meet with the key members of a Swedish company “Processum” an umbrella organisation of biorefinery industry and satellites in the northern Swedish town of Örnsköldsvik. But Proccessum doesnt care to deal with a phony either it seems:
What I learned was that the municipality would take us a NASA engineer. It was what it was cool. If he has not worked for NASA, the question of this even relevant to us. That I must look closely at, says Sören Back, communications manager for Processum. http://allehanda.se/start/ornskoldsvik/1.4284255-ifragasatt-talare-flygs-hit-for-skattepengar
Mallette is trying to pass off his home-based company he calls “Cybernated Farm System” as some kind of high tech and high budget sustainability engineering project. The Swedish media described this project as:
Pictures from Mallettes so-called research facility also says the a lot about CFS.
The facility consists of a small narrow closet on a number square. There Mallette has two small frames for vegetables. That’s all.According to Mallette’s own data is the development budget in the current situation of the project at just over 35 000. Instead of high technology, this is rather a small hobby project where Mallette trying to cultivate energy-efficiently.
Heres Justin Templers take on CYBERNATED FARM SYSTEMS:
I laughed at the pic of his Omega Volksgarden (http://omegagarden.com/) with its 3 lonely grow cubes sitting sideways next to a window with no grow light.
The Omega Garden makes more than one version of their hydroponic Ferris wheel. The fact that he bought the Volksgarden “tinker toy” version proves he’s clueless (www.omegagarden.com/product). If this guy was really serious about starting a company around the concept (or even began to understand what he was doing) he would have bought a commercial model:
There’s nothing cybernated or sustainable about the concept of having a Ferris wheel that dunks your plants, that have been inserted into individual non renewable Rockwool cubes around an artificial light source, in a solution tank every few minutes. The Ferris wheel concept came about as a way to efficiently grow marijuana away from the prying eyes of law enforcement. A visit to any one of the numerous marijuana growing sites will reveal the true purpose of what systems like the one that Doug bought are used for.
Remember the marijuana crop is valued in dollars per GRAM so this stealth method of growing marijuana makes sense. Food crops are valued in dollars per POUND or cents per gram. So while growing marijuana using an Omega Garden can be considered efficient, growing food using the same method is not. Until we start paying $30 for a few grams of tomatoes, there are far more efficient ways of growing food crops hydroponically.
The fact that you “can” grow food (although very inefficiently) is used by the companies as a marketing gimmick so they can push these products (and sometimes even get free advertising) in a media that would otherwise reject the articles or advertisement.
(You can’t very well get free full page articles in Popular Science about the latest and best marijuana growing system now can you?)The fact that Doug bought the marketing gimmick hook line and sinker leaves the following options
Doug is:
a. naive
b, deluded
c. ignorant
d. con man
e. all of the above
Lets not forget Douglas Mallette is just another pawn in the Zeitgeist Movie Scheme money donation campaign:
more reading here: http://www.jimjesus.com/2012/01/doug-annihilator-mallette-exposed-pt-2.html
The latest headlines…
Mallette lecture is canceled
Now highlights the Green Party Douglas Mallette from his lecture program after new revelations about the controversial aerospace engineer.
http://allehanda.se/start/ornskoldsvik/1.4293500-mallettes-forelasning-stalls-in
Ah Justin, you beat me to it. I was going to post the same article, as I just heard about it.
Kush’s blog and the “annihilate them” videos that he archived were instrumental in this decision, I understand.
Not only has the panel who invited him dis-invited him over the “annihilate them” comments, they have issued a formal apology.
http://varldsklassprojektteamet.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/douglas-malettes-forelasningar-stalls-in/
Crude translation:
“In the light of information obtained during the last days, we have decided to cancel our participation in Douglas Mallette lectures in Örnsköldsvik. World Class 2015 can never support anti-democratic views that incite violence or other unlawful acts.
We hope that the debate that has followed this effort does not discourage people to lift up discussions or engage in Örnsköldsvik development. Social development is driven largely by creating dynamic open environments where many have their say. On the journey we continue in Örnsköldsvik. World Class 2015 will therefore continue to encourage all who want to contribute to meeting the challenges that face Ornskoldsvik.”
I kind of hijacked a thread that Kush devoted to information I provided.
I’m going to bring it back on topic and finish out the examination of Doug’s business plan.
I applied some basic math to Doug’s plan. Let’s see how much fail his plan to grow food using his “Cybernated” system really is…..
We’ll do a very rough calculation using lettuce, which OmegaGarden’s website suggests as a viable crop for Doug’s Volksgarden.
Major equipment costs:
The unit he “bought” for his “research” is the following unit:
https://www.omegagarden.com/index.php?content_id=175&product_id=1
Omega Volksgarden cost $2595.00
The unit does not include a light,
Doug says he wants to use the following unit which will save him on his electricity costs:
http://www.hydrogrowled.com/%2F504W-Penetrator-Vertical-LED-Grow-Light-P62.aspx
That will cost another $1500.00
So just for the (as Doug calls it) “Growth Chamber” and light Doug has spent $4,095.00 dollars.
Of course Doug isn’t spending his own money, he’s relying on investors and donations….
For our electricity costs…
The light Doug chose, although called a 504 watt unit, actually consumes 420 watts of electricity.
Assume a 6 week grow cycle for 60 lettuce plants with 18 hours of light per day.
We’re using an 18 hour a day light cycle to maximize growth for each crop.
Our goal is to quickly grow as much food as possible, (remember we’re trying to combat world hunger!)
6 weeks x 7 days a week x 18 hours a day = 756 hours x .420 kwh (420 watts) = 317.52 kwh x $ 0.15 kwh = $47.62 electricity cost for 60 heads of lettuce.
Good thing Doug spent the extra money and got the efficient LED light instead of going with a a 1000 watt HPS lamp, his electricty costs would have been more than double.
That $47.62 divided by 60 works out to $0.79 (just for the cost of electricity) per head of lettuce
Growing medium…
The Volksgarden requires the use of 3×3 growing medium into which each individual plant must be inserted.
This common product is known as a Rockwool cube and is a standard and a very popular item in the hydroponic industry.
They are similar to the florists foam that flower arangements come in.
These cubes are required by the Omega for each and every plant.
They are NOT reusable NOR are they recyclable. (So much for sustainability huh?)
http://www.hydroasis.com/hy/productdetail.aspx?id=168&product=rockwool-grow-block-3-x-3-x-4-inches-with-hole
The cost of the Rockwool growing cubes $1.09 for each plant
Before we go any further notice ….
After we’ve spent $4,095.00 for equipment
The cost of the electricty $0.79 per plant
The cost of the growing cube $1.09 per plant
$0.79 + $1.09 = $1.88 per plant
How much does ahead of Lettuce cost $1.50? $2.00?
We still have: the cost of the seeds, the plant food, water reservoir, timers, pH testing equipment.
Not included is the building, rent, climate control (heating/cooling) insurance and his time.
Neither have we included the shipping costs of the incoming supplies.
And last but not least: the cost of packaging, refrigeration and transport of the finished produce.
As should be readily apparent by now, Douglas Mallette hasn’t even done the basic math.
There’s nothing sustainable or even remotely feasible in his business plan.
Cybernated Farm Systems plan to grow food with an Omega Garden style growing system is a failure before Doug even attempts to grow one plant.
The problem is of course Doug is basing his plans solely on the marketing hype that is being fed to him by the people at Omega Garden
So much for Zeitard talk about critical thinking, having their eyes opened (being “Awakened”) and all that talk about the scienctific method, huh?
Now on the other hand…
If Doug wants to grow marijuana that sells for about $7.00(?) per GRAM, instead of $1.50-$2.00 heads of lettuce, then he “might” have a workable future as a hydroponic marijuana grower.
LED lights are a joke at the moment. The technology is still in it’s infancy. Needs more R&D before it’s ready for primetime.
Zeitgeist fans don’t really use critical thinking, they let others think for them, and if it “feels good” to their naive liberal sensitives, they jump right in. The lack of skeptical inquiry is astounding. As long as it is the opposite of whatever is going on in this world, then to them it must be right answer, as if everything in this world is either A or B.
We have seen that their point of view is far ready for prime time. They believe in chemtrails for fuck’s sake. Absolutely astounding. When Addendum first came out I thought it was cool, I joined the forums, had some fun talking to a few very smart people there, but spent most of my time correcting the ignorant and naive. People liked it and listened to me, simply because I was not a fucking parrot to Joseph.
But the longer I was engaged with them, the more I felt that whatever they were doing was based off some false but fundamental pretenses. If Joseph said the sky was green, then of course, there would be massive amounts of different opinions supporting such an assumption. What will also be a fatal flaw in their model is the concept that the economy HAS to collapse. No it doesn’t. I could go on and write a very lengthy critique of everything I have seen. While most of those people have good intentions, we need to remember the road to hell is paved with them. If they are willing to commit violence to impose THEIR specific worldview, then fuck them, there is a lot of hate and animosity towards “the elites” as we have seen with Loughner and that OBL pretender.
What a fucking joke.
Protip: associate with TZM, commit career suicide. Their ethos is far from ready for prime time as long as they continue to attract failed seekers and lost idealists who are simply upset that the world is not as easy for them as they would like it to be. I have nothing against Joseph, in fact, I like the guy, unfortunately the people who he has acting as followers, and even his coordinators are low quality and unprofessional as we have seen time and time again.
It’s easy to get lost in your alternate internet reality, understand the real world. I could write a book when it comes to just what a failure to launch TZM was, and you know what? It’s for the better because they have so much initial baggage their whole project is forever tainted.
Im with you. I dont hate Peter Joseph or any of them for that matter. I actually like Mallette, VTV, and Merola. But in keeping it real, they must be covered from an extreme critical perspective and they fuck up so much the job is easy to do.
Exactly, their failures were caused of out blind incompetence and arrogance. They could have easily mitigated all this with just a little bit of professional standards of conduct.
Nobody questions anything either, for example, to TZMers, they literally will avoid using the word “Merola” among themselves like its a bad word, I find that strange and very odd. Also, I can only name one or two people who ever asked Douglas why he says he is a NASA engineer when he neither had an engineering degree or worked at GeoControl, back in the day.
If they have a solid intellectual foundation and did not attract such awe full failures who made up some of their most vocal members, then they would have fared better. Just look at their facebook fans! They are very naive people, mostly very young people, or if they are older, then you can tell they were probaby failures in many areas of their lives and are very untrustworthy. (This does not apply to EVERYBODY just the ones you see a lot)
Honestly, how would you feel if one of your friends talked about the stuff TZM talks about all the time, and changes their facebook name to first john doe RBE or john zeitgeist doe? Who the fuck does that? I wouldn’t take you seriously, I would call you a kool aid drinker.
Here’s the brochure advertising Doug’s appearance before it got cancelled
https://www.bioraffinaderi.se/main.php/CFS.pdf?fileitem=84970
Google translation:
In January, former NASA engineer Douglas Mallette to leave his
home in Florida and go to the cold north to talk about his new project, Cybernated
Farm System (CFS). CFS is a revolutionary, high-tech and environmentally friendly way
to work with the growing of food. Douglas will be here in Örnsköldsvik, for the first time in
Swedish soil present their ideas around this and also the possibilities to implement the
even in our climate.
Do not miss this exciting opportunity to broaden your horizons and be inspired. together
we create a Ornskoldsvik world class!
Welcome to expand
your views with us!
Friday 20 January
Processum
Auditorium,
Hörneborgsvägen 12;
Domsjö development area
10:00 am
Registration for the Ewa Kristmansson:
ewa.kristmansson @ processum.se
tel 0660-750 12
later than 18 January. We offer coffee shop
Vertical tower farming is NOT new, and Doug did not invent it, That picture being used, it gives the reader the impression that is what Doug is creating, it could be copyright infringement.
Here’s another fine example of how much on a non-engineer Doug is……
http://thezeitgeistmovementblog.wordpress.com/tag/douglas-mallette/
“Each facility would grow 12 of the most healthy and popular vegetables, enough to feed 1,000 people per crop. After plenty of research, there is a good consensus on what those are: Spinach, Green Peas, Red Leaf Lettuce, Garlic, Onions, Carrots, Brocolli, Brussel Sprouts, Cauliflower, Tomatoes, Red Peppers and Green Peppers.”
Remember he’s growing these in an Omega Garden type system that uses a 3 inch x 3 inch x 4 inch Rockwool cube as the growing media.
The Rockwool cube takes the place of soil, this is where the roots grow.
The Rockwool cube also acts like a wet piece of Styrofoam that holds on to the water along with the dissolved plant food to feed the plant as it grows.
Garlic, Onions, and Carrots are root crops. The edible part of the plant grows underground.
Now picture an onion bulb growing inside of a 3 inch x 3 inch x 4 inch cube.
Keep in mind, it can’t fill the whole cube (there would be no way for the plant to feed itself as it grows.)
Just how big do you think our onion bulbs can grow?
The same problem goes with the carrots and the garlic. The edible part of the plant that we harvest (plus the media required to feed it as it grows) has to be smaller than size of the “container” it is growing in.
This is the kind of planning someone claiming to be an engineer has done after spending well over a year doing “research”. His CFS plans are full of idiotic mistakes and oversights like this.
With him growing food the only thing the sustainability movement can look forward to is sustained starvation.
(Bonus question: How many jawbreaker size onions will Doug have to grow to feed 1,000 people?)
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-onions-i11282
Do the math, I’m too lazy.
At the heart of Doug’s plan is the Rockwool cube. It’s what makes it possible to grow plants upside down in a rotating Ferris wheel. Without the Rockwool cube his system wouldn’t work.
Although Rockwool is similar to Volcanic rock it’s a totally man made material. It is made by taking chalk and rock and heating them to THREE THOUSAND DEGREES FAHRENHEIT. (If you are concerned about energy efficiency think about that for a second) It is then “spun” like cotton candy and cooled and compressed into blocks. This is the same way building insulation and the other mineral wool are made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_wool.
Because it is an inert man made mineral substance it is not biodegradable. So for every plant that Doug grows there will be a 3 inch x 3 inch x 4 inch piece of Rockwool that will be taking up space in your local neighborhood landfill. And of course Doug wants to make this a standard way to grow food so the net effect of Doug’s plan is he will create large landfills full of non-biodegradable Rockwool cubes that will sit there indefinitely for hundreds or thousands of years.
There are health concerns with the handling of Rockwool cubes. While there is nothing wrong with plants grown in Rockwool, It is the material ITSELF that we are concerned with. The dust from it is an irritant to the eyes, skin and lungs in the same way that asbestos or fiberglass is. While there is not any real evidence that rockwool causes cancer, the Environmental Protection Agency lists it as a “Group 2B” material, which means it is “possibly carcinogenic to humans”. Rockwool is safe to use, it’s just the dust created by physical deterioration of the product (especially the used product) that we are concerned with.
Rockwool is an alkaline material which means that it requires either chemicals to neutralize the pH or adjustments to the nutrient solution to lower the pH down to a level that your plants will need to grow.
Somewhere in Doug’s plans is talk about combining aquaponics with his Omega Garden systems. I’m guessing in his thought process he thinks since aquaponics is organic he’ll use the nutrients from aquaponics to feed his plants. It doesn’t work that way. To cut to the chase, fish poop clogs Rockwool cubes. If you are going to use aquaponics you can’t use Rockwool cubes. Aquaponics requires the use of gravel or gravel beds where bacteria and micro-organisms can break down the fish excrement into a source of plant food.
Doug doesn’t even understand the difference between organic and non-organic. He wants to create a hermetically sealed building. I assume it is to eliminate insects and pests so he can eliminate the need for “chemicals” and pesticides and then he includes fish and fish excrement that require bacteria and micro-organisms (that’s why we call it organic) that will introduce the need for chemicals and pesticides.
So for every Douglas Mallette CFS facility “Mr Sustainability” will have to include a foundry with a blast furnace to make his Rockwool cubes, a landfill site to dispose of his Rockwool cubes, and a chemical plant to process fish excrement into plant food that won’t clog his Rockwool cubes.
It’s sad that people look up to people like Doug when they spread their ignorance to the next generation and then wonder why the world is so screwed up.
Groups like The Zeitgeist Movement and The Venus Project that look up to people like Doug, don’t solve world problems they perpetuate them.
I think you missed the point of the Omega Garden Company. It’s not really there for global sustainability, it’s just a prop. I’ve been doing in card magic and mostly I use a real deck unhampered deck of cards. A lot of times I use a marked deck or a deck that’s been organized a certain way. When I do I make it clear: “This is just an ordinary deck of cards.” The point isn’t to actually have an ordinary deck of cards, it’s to make people think that so they stick around for the show. If it was a paid gig, it would be fine because I make it clear what what I do are illusions for entertainment purposes only. Doug is the Uri Gellar of the green movement.
Planned Obsolescence?
The Zeitgeist Movement and The Venus Project love to talk about “planned obsolescence” so if you think it would be a no brainer that Douglas Mallette would chose the most advanced Omega Garden model. Think again!
The Omega Garden Carousel was introduced way back in 2007
It is made from stainless steel and consists of 6 – 300 plant modules for a total of 1800 plants.
So what does our so called “engineer” who preaches about planned obsolescence do?
He designs his model around the consumer hobbyist version made out of molded plastic that holds only 80 plants maximum.
So instead of having one motor that rotates the Ferris wheel(s), one pump for the nutrient solution, one nutrient reservoir..
We need 22.5 as many motors to rotate the assemblies, we need 22.5 as many pumps, 22.5 as many nutrient reservoirs, 22.5 times as many bearings etc etc….
Instead of having one failure point, Douglas builds his system with 22.5 times as many failure points and designs it using inferior materials.
When Doug does experience a component failure in the middle of a cluster, replacing that failed component will involve disrupting the growth cycle of all the plants in the cluster.
Does this sound like a system being designed by a person who is concerned with planned obsolescence? or an engineer for that matter?
If an engineer was designing buildings that grew 16,000 plants, he isn’t going to design it around plastic hobby grade components. Given the choice between stainless steel and molded plastic, he’s going to choose stainless steel. He is going to design it with the fewest number of failure points and he will design it so when there is a failure, replacement of that component will be done in a fast and efficient manner.
The Omega Garden Carousel came out in 2007.
The reason it hasn’t caught on for food production is because it is too inefficient at growing food.
The reason the Carousel version hasn’t caught on for growing marijuana is because it grows too much marijuana to be used legally.
What we’re left with is the inferior and downsized version with the purpose of serving the underground marijuana dispensary market.
Here’s a quote from Omega Garden’s marketing blog written back in 2008.
Their choice of words should be obvious to all but the most naive persons:
“For the small businesses out there that need a high amount of a SPECIAL HERB this system is PERFECT! Using a controlled environment adjust the climate to grow plants SCARCE in your area! ”
http://blog.omegagarden.info/2008/09/02/introduction.aspx
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The other thing a person with any critical thinking skills has to ask himself is:…
If this is such a cutting edge technology and it’s such a great system for growing food, why are the only REAL pictures or videos in existence only showcasing the companies’ own 2007 prototype demonstration? Since then all we’ve seen is a steady stream of Photoshop and computer generated images. That’s 4+ years of sales and not a single video or real life photo of commercial scale food growing?
If you spend 10 seconds looking at the picture of the 4 carousel stacks from their blog site, it should be obvious that only one stack is real and other 3 have been cloned. The only place these Omega Garden food factories exist are in fantasy land.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=1EqxwAVsmBOPv_lstrqeDn7lZd1RZY-KyXtxUJoWNCynhK2IwDVgZdwFe3Hw5&hl=en_US&pli=1
Before Doug has grown one single plant and had a chance to test his improvised low power light so he can figure out how many solar panels, windmills and baterries he will need, He has miraculously already figured out his cost structure and knows what his cost to produce food will be.
“…the problem is unfortunately a lot of people aren’t educated enough to have logic and reason…” Douglas Mallette
“CEO is a former Aerospace Systems Engineer with the NASA Space Shuttle Program”
LOL
Which is an outright contradiction with what he typed 2 lines below:
“Information: Douglas Mallette, BSET (Founder & CEO)”
BSET is Bachelor Science Engineering Technology
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=403962
“This is a potential ethical issue. If there is a difference in BSEE and BSET degrees from your school, then put your actual BSET degree on your resume. Falsifying information on your resume is very unethical and could be the basis for denial of employment or worse, termination. Maybe, just maybe a BSEE would get you an interview easier, but the issue of BSET would come up and it does not give a very good impression that you lied, so you still lose in the end. Just look at it in this way that you have something to talk about in the interview. You have the opportunity to explain to the interviewer what skills a BSET student has.”
http://coe.uncc.edu/prospective-students/engineering-professions.html#engr5
What is Engineering versus Engineering Technology (ET)?
Engineering graduates are often considered “innovators.” They develop new methods of analysis and solutions for open-ended, complex and unique design problems. New graduates most likely aspire to an entry-level position in conceptual design, systems engineering, product research, or development. Graduates are readily accepted to graduate school for advanced study in engineering (MS or PhD) whereas ET graduates do not usually follow this path. Graduates are also eligible for professional registration in all states through examination and documented experience. Coursework in the engineering plan of study includes multiple semesters of calculus and calculus-based theoretical science courses followed by engineering science, analysis, and design.
ET graduates are often considered “implementers.” They apply current knowledge and practices to the solution of specific technical problems and standard design problems. New graduates most likely enter industry in construction, product design, development, testing, technical operations, or technical services or sales. Graduates often pursue graduate study in engineering management, construction management, business administration, or similar programs. They are most likely to get a ‘hands-on’ laboratory, testing, construction, or in-the-field job. Graduates are eligible for professional registration in most states with wide variation in licensing requirements. Coursework in the ET plan of study includes algebra, trigonometry, applied calculus, and science courses. The level of math and science required in ET is not theoretical as that required in engineering. Instead it is more focused on applications.
Doug is like a nurse trying to make everyone think he’s a doctor because they took some of the same classes.
If you have an ET degree you don’t call yourself an engineer, doing so is lying.
Our favorite snake oil salesman turned E-begger’s 1st Scandinavian lecture:
I couldn’t get past the part where he lies about the buildings he’s going to build. He makes it sound like a done deal he’s got the plans finalized and ready to go when the reality is he has yet to grow his 1st hydroponic plant.
“Douglas Mallette is most famous for his beliefs that complete groups of people must die if they disrupt a Zeitgeist Resource Based Economy “food production facility”.”
Wow, and with that, you have intentionally lied to anyone who clicks on the link. Douglas Mallette is in fact not ‘famous’ at all, unless what you meant was infamy which is also not true, but he is in fact best known for his lectures regarding sustainable living and technological proposals, as well as a book on space exploration that predates his involvement in anything related to them.
So anyone who checks out this bilious crap is best to function as a true skeptic, and take in all possible information without extraneous rumors, pointless associations and ad hominem. This means studying up on any proposal and its detractions, and putting the so-called ‘bashing’ of the proposal under the same microscope it propounds.
I think this supposed review is myopic, not insightful. The opening quote is wrong, the tagline at the top about the movement being a cult is nothing more than a very childish attempt at negative association, which upon rational analysis falls completely flat on its face, and arguments such as cybernated hydroponic gardens are only good for growing pot is not actually true. There is also a nefarious false meme trying to be nurtured that he did not work with the NASA Space Shuttle Program. This is clear bullshit.
But to anyone reading this interested in solutions to huge problems faced around the world, in communities both large and small, and working with others to achieve anything of real significance, I encourage you not to take the line this kind of page takes. It is not conducive to rational analysis at all, it does not have a solid engine behind it that sparks not only curiosity but a desire to help others, it literally has no socially-based problem to seek solutions to, and hence has no gumption or bravery to it, it is extremely dysfunctional and flawed in its approach to critical analysis, fails at galvanizing others to any form of action, and crucially it mistakes nay-saying with skeptical, intellectual honesty.
There are problems in any proposal. I encourage you (if you are not essentially butt-hurt for whatever reason), to man up in the real world and provide constructive solutions to any flaws you see, or ask for help beyond your expertise, otherwise step down and let others work on a project. But this is not the real world, and you are just typing little scrolls of thought next to kiddy avatars. Not really doing anything. Don’t have pretentious: this is not going to leave a mark.
PS) I encourage anyone to contact individuals in person to discuss issues they think their work has, and any confusions you may have.
“and arguments such as cybernated hydroponic gardens are only good for growing pot is not actually true.”
Here’s a Volksgarden growing pot
Here’s the link to Omega’s own website growing food:
http://www.omegagarden.com/index.php?content_id=1522
A 5 year old study performed by 5 8th graders growing basil.
“The students have successfully grown food. Furthermore, they have produced 1 pound of basil per week and sold this to a nearby store at a cost of $10 per half pound. They expect the harvest quantities to increase exponentially as the students become more experienced gardeners and plant more densely. Overall, the first season of growing with an Omega Garden has been a success.
For the time being, the experiment will continue and a new team of Omega Garden urban farming 8th graders will take control next fall. Check back for news!”"
Let’s see if you can do the math. 1 pound of basil @ $10.00 per half pound = $20.00 worth of Basil a week.
Now subtract the cost of the Rockwool grow cubes,
and the cost of the electricity
after having spent $2,600 for the Volksgarden
and $???.?? for the light fixture
and the nutrients…etc etc.
If you think it’s “good” at growing food, you need to have your head examined.
“Douglas Mallette is in fact not ‘famous’ at all”
Funny because Zeitards on ZDAY in Vancouver that was apart of the panel think they are famous:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.365375666816524.82338.200894606597965&type=1
“Here’s a Volksgarden growing pot”
And then right below you have one growing basil. Lol. Interesting, aside from whether or not it is optimal in the long-run, you contradicted yourself in your own post, and there it is.
Also Doug Mallette did work on the NASA Space Shuttle Program. In his words a “former aerospace systems engineer with the space shuttle program. Don’t confuse that with NASA directly. Most of the (Space Shuttle Program) workforce were not NASA employees… I was a sub-contracter to the Boeing Corporation, playing with the Shuttle payload bay.”
Pushing out a false meme that implies this is made up, is pure lame. It relies on making the exact same statement as above, but using it to argue that he therefore did not work on the program. That’s bullshit logic, for non-thinkers. Douglas Mallette worked with the NASA Space Shuttle Program. Get over it. Moving on.
You need to look into what a scientifically valid argument is: you hinged your latest argument on an 8th grader school experiment, not to mention one that produced basil, not marijuana, so it doesn’t actually help you. Nonetheless, it is best to cite peer reviewed studies, otherwise you make a proposal (which is what Doug has done) and try to develop it. The carrying out of that proposal is the experiment. You can argue that Doug should preface every statement he makes on the cybernated food production with a study, and while that would be paralyzing and ridiculous, it would be technically true with regards to output. However, I do think a person who posts pictures of pot and 8th graders growing condiments in a school, is not to be taken seriously.
I dont know what you guys do with your lives but I just got awarded tens of thousands to carry out independent scientific research. I may come back to this little club to see what picture or video you’ve posted up as a supposed rational retort, but I am extremely busy and far more interested in achieving things of significance.
Ciao.
1. No one is saying you can’t grow basil or any other food for that batter with a Volksgarden. Did you even read the article?
2. Doug did warehouse work for the space shuttle program. Hardly a starring member of the team.
3. Doug purposefully uses that language to bolster his image and have people assume he worked for NASA. Then when someone says it explicitly does he correct them so he doesn’t get his ass kicked in court.
4. No, the burden of proof lays on the person making the claim that these “cybernated” Volksgarden will provide cheap abundant food for people with little to no assistance. Justin laid out his expert opinion of hydroponic applications for food production to show why his claim is false at face value. It’s up to Doug to show his work. A self proclaimed scientist would know the importance of burdens of proof on positive and negative claims. Which is why I’m guessing you’re not really involved with science outside of watching YouTube videos.
Doug is not an engineer, his qualifications are as an engineering technician.
It’s right there in on his proposal. The Initials after his name BSET
BSET stands for Bachelor of Science in Engineering Technology
An engineer uses the initials BSE
BSE stands for Bachelor of Science in Engineering
An engineering tech and an engineer are two separate things.
If he were to misrepresent himself as an engineer on a job application, he would be fired for lying.
Doug is as much as an engineer as my garbage man is when he calls himself a sanitation engineer.
I’m not one doing the”science” experiment. I’m not the one making the proposal. I’m the person looking at Doug’s proposal and it’s obvious he doesn’t have a fucking clue he knows what the hell he’s doing.
It doesn’t take a scientist and engineer to do some simple math of inputs and outputs to figure out that growing food using the Volksgarden is a losing proposition from an efficiency standpoint. It’s not that you can’t grow food, It’s that you would have to be a total idiot to want to try.
Speaking of scientific research, Doug’s 1st day of operation was back at the beginning of January. It only takes 6 weeks to grow lettuce. I think it’s about time he owes the people cheering him on some scientific results by now, especially the people who donated to help him do the research.
“Speaking of scientific research, Doug’s 1st day of operation was back at the beginning of January.”
According to his facebook page, CFS started in July of 2011, you guys just don’t get it, he’s saving lives.
The idea in creating these things is to remove money from the equation, this is the part you septics never take into account & what makes your math fail.
If that’s the case, then why was CFS set up as a for-profit company?
So far all you guys have created is failure and lousy T-shirts.
“Remove money from the equation’” = “Never having to fear getting judged as a feckless, work-shy loser who’s never made a dime in his life”
Not only is it “for profit” but he is pitching his idea to investors as if the firm will be profitable. Are you saying that Doug is purposely defrauding investers so he can bring down the monetary system? ‘scuse me while I call the SEC.
The marimba is played with mallets. Coincidence?